I Need help with codec!

shinji13 · Post by **shinji13** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:19 pm

Hey

yes shinji is asking for help...

I need some help w/ exporting my video...I can export it into windows file but i want it to be mpeg1 or 2 or xvid or something really good that doesnt cost to much memory,

u kno like a 3 minute video only costing max of 60megs or 80megs...

right now it cost 50megs and i only got 10 seconds ~_~...BTW im using adobe premiere plz help me...

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:26 pm

Export it as huffyuv and compress it in VirtualDub (xvid) or TMPGEnc according to the guides. They're modeled for Premiere users so you should be able to follow the steps exactly.

shinji13 · Post by **shinji13** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:41 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:Export it as huffyuv and compress it in VirtualDub (xvid) or TMPGEnc according to the guides. They're modeled for Premiere users so you should be able to follow the steps exactly.

hmm thanx arigatomnya

yur nice ^_^

hey "yur" thats a german word i think ~_~....

Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] · Post by **Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:52 pm

I never was good at reading directions.... I just play with it till I get the best result. so far the best result for most high motion anime footage for me in Xvid was to encode using 2-pass method setting the size to what I want on the second pass. This produced the best quality file for that size out of all other methods I tried.

As far as settings, I realy didn't see any visual difference in quality with the various Quantization settings, so I left them at default.

SOmeone said something about B-frames being evil too... I tried with then enabled and disabled and get pretty much same result, (quality wise) So I don't know on that. someone want to clarify?

shinji13 · Post by **shinji13** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:28 pm

Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] wrote:I never was good at reading directions.... I just play with it till I get the best result. so far the best result for most high motion anime footage for me in Xvid was to encode using 2-pass method setting the size to what I want on the second pass. This produced the best quality file for that size out of all other methods I tried.

As far as settings, I realy didn't see any visual difference in quality with the various Quantization settings, so I left them at default.

SOmeone said something about B-frames being evil too... I tried with then enabled and disabled and get pretty much same result, (quality wise) So I don't know on that. someone want to clarify?

hmm well i just dled huffyyuv but the problem is i dont kno how to do all this u kno im new to adobe premiere o0 infact im new to this entire thing ive always used windows movie maker ~_~ which auto does it and is crap quality...

*arigatomnya!*

haha

or anyone else who knows how to do tis...

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 10:14 am

Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] wrote:ISOmeone said something about B-frames being evil too... I tried with then enabled and disabled and get pretty much same result, (quality wise) So I don't know on that. someone want to clarify?

Apparently there's a bug in XviD 1.0 that causes dirt-like artifacting in some scenes when B-frames ("B-VOPs" is just so much more fun to say, though) are used. I encountered this problem when trying to make a good encode of the video I'm currently working on.

I got around it by adding new Zones for the scenes that were affected (there were only two of them as far as I could see) with the B-frame sensitivity turned down to -50. I don't think this got rid of <i>all</i> the B-frames (if I can trust the "Show me the internals!" box), but the artifacting problem was solved.

VegettoEX · Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:12 am

I'm not quite sure... but from what I gather from the original post in this thread...

It's another case of someone not initially understanding that what you export off your Premiere (or other program) timeline should almost never be your internet distribution version.

What you export off your timeline should be the largest, highest-quality possible version that you can possibly create. This means uncompressed, or compressed in a lossless codec (which is why HuffyUV was suggested; it's a lossless compression codec for video). It's going to be huge (we're talking gigs). This is normal. Don't worry; this isn't the file you're going to be uploading / sending to people.

Once you've got THIS file...

Bring it in to either VirtualDub (for DivX / XviD encodes) or TMPG (for MPEG-1/2 encodes). Do what you will with whatever codecs you wish to get the file you want to distribute. Guides are nice, here.

Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] · Post by **Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 3:05 pm

ah I guess I just havn't encountered the problem yet.
But yea, the best way is to Export to Hufyuv, from primiiere (choose Hufyuv where you normally choose xvid). Make sure your sound compression is set to Uncompressed. (Under sound tab) you only want to compress this on the very last step in virtualdub. Also make sure your frame order is set to "No Frame Order" (Progressive) or you will get interlace artifacts in your hufyuv version that you will need to deinterlace again. (This is under the video tab)

That way you can then process all your filters on the hufyuv version (in virtualdub) and try different encode methods to get the best quality without primiere having to rerender the entire video each time. Will save a bunch of time. A Hufyuv file will generally be close to 2 gigs for a 4 min AMV at 720x480.

You will get smaller file sizes in HufYuv if you configure it to "convert to Yu2" using "Predict Median (best)" method. Check the configure tab for the codec and I think you will see what i'm talking about. Avisynth works faster on Yu2 data aswell.

Feel free to PM me with questions if you need help on a particular part that you don't understand or can't figure out, I'll try to help to the best of my ability.

shinji13 · Post by **shinji13** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:10 pm

Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] wrote:ah I guess I just havn't encountered the problem yet.
But yea, the best way is to Export to Hufyuv, from primiiere (choose Hufyuv where you normally choose xvid). Make sure your sound compression is set to Uncompressed. (Under sound tab) you only want to compress this on the very last step in virtualdub. Also make sure your frame order is set to "No Frame Order" (Progressive) or you will get interlace artifacts in your hufyuv version that you will need to deinterlace again. (This is under the video tab)

That way you can then process all your filters on the hufyuv version (in virtualdub) and try different encode methods to get the best quality without primiere having to rerender the entire video each time. Will save a bunch of time. A Hufyuv file will generally be close to 2 gigs for a 4 min AMV at 720x480.

You will get smaller file sizes in HufYuv if you configure it to "convert to Yu2" using "Predict Median (best)" method. Check the configure tab for the codec and I think you will see what i'm talking about. Avisynth works faster on Yu2 data aswell.

Feel free to PM me with questions if you need help on a particular part that you don't understand or can't figure out, I'll try to help to the best of my ability.

oK this is helpful...But i still got one last question...I did a beta on my video and when i make it full screen it wont go full screen..~_~ i need someone to tell me how to change this plz....