Posting a Remastered version

Pyle · Post by **Pyle** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:57 am

When making a remastered version of a video, do you have to delete the original video and put the new one in it's place?

The same goes for trailers. When the trailer is done, do you delete that and put the final video in it's place?

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:14 am

For the remastered, yes - you have to replace it if the only difference between the two is the quality.

For trailers, do you mean teasers? Like a mini preview of a vid, that you'd later want to replace with the actual vid? If that's the case, you aren't supposed to upload teasers in the first place.

Trailers are an entirely different category - a short vid mimicking a 'trailer' for a real movie - using that movie's audio (from advertisements, etc). If you made an actual movie to go with a trailer (like doing an anime style Jurassic Park to go with your Jurasic Park trailer) - then no, you wouldn't replace the trailer since they'd be two completely different things (a trailer, and a music video).

Pyle · Post by **Pyle** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:49 pm

Thx for replying.

If you fix some missed cuts and add some special effects in, is it still considered remastered?

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=32310
Are you allowed to do this?

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:17 pm

Not on local - on direct, certainly. On local you should only upload videos that you believe are finished, complete - never to be redone.

Then...some time later, if you decide to clean it up a little, then you can ask to replace it - because you *did* think it was finished when you first uploaded.

If you already know the video isn't complete, and that you'll be finishing it later (even if it's just adding a few flashes here and there), then you're supposed to hold onto it until it's done. Local hosting is for finished products - this sounds more like a beta, which you host somewhere else until it's in its finalized form.

A remake is where you take the original concept and do something different to it, enhance it beyond just capture quality. Changing the editing and adding effects/different footage qualifies the video as a 'remake' instead of a 'remaster.' You list remakes separately - remasters replace the old versions (since the only difference is quality).

Brsrk · Post by **Brsrk** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:03 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:Not on local - on direct, certainly. On local you should only upload videos that you believe are finished, complete - never to be redone.

Then...some time later, if you decide to clean it up a little, then you can ask to replace it - because you *did* think it was finished when you first uploaded.

Apparently, with the outbreak of all the "remastered" versions that come out a day later cause someone forgot to put a flash somewhere, people don't understand what the word "remastered" or "redone" means...

And, what you "think" and what is are two completely different things, lol

In short, make it as good as you can before you upload, then upload it and never edit it again.

Pyle · Post by **Pyle** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:01 pm

BrsrkEva wrote:
In short, make it as good as you can before you upload, then upload it and never edit it again.

At the time I was using WMM to make it, and WMM has a painfully annoying intolerance of DivX (which was, coincidentally, what all my clips were in). Therefor, I couldn't really get it as good as I wanted.

Then I scored WMM2, and I was able to remake it.

The reason I entered it without any of the effects(and as a trailer) was so that I could enter it into Castor Troy's WMM contest. When I remake it in Roxio 7, it will have several fancy looking overlays and flashy effects.

When I get the effects version out, do I delete the remake version as well?

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 12:09 am

BrsrkEva wrote:Apparently, with the outbreak of all the "remastered" versions that come out a day later cause someone forgot to put a flash somewhere, people don't understand what the word "remastered" or "redone" means...

And, what you "think" and what is are two completely different things, lol

Phade wrote:* remaster - to recreate a video using the same video content but with different (usually cleaner) source material; the new video should have the exact same content, scene for scene. Example: Your video was originally created with VHS source. The DVDs for the anime used in your video have now been released. You can then create a remastered version of your video with the DVD source. The final video should look exactly like the original video, except with greater visual quality.

It doesn't really matter what *we* think on the subject - that's Phade's definition of a 'remaster' - the type of video you must replace rather than listing separately. Any changes that don't fit this description are considered 'remakes' instead - usually videos that don't "have the exact same content, scene for scene." New effects, slight changes in timing, different scenes all prevent a video from being a 'remaster' according to his rules - and remakes are to be listed separately since they do not "look exactly like the original video" - in which case they are different videos and should be listed/uploaded as such.

No need to argue or worry or angst about it. According to the definition Phade gives, a single white flash is enough to make a video be a 'remake' instead of a remaster. And while people may drop them in the mods box, those videos aren't going against the rules Phade gives when you go to 'Enter New Video.'

It still doesn't matter in this case, since he knew from the start that the video wasn't finished. And Phade specifically states in #3 that "The video has been completed."

In this case, the safest bet would be to consider the effect-laden video as a remake and load it separately as a different video, but similar concept. Otherwise you're admitting that you uploaded a beta - which isn't allowed and could easily be deleted if someone were to drop it in the box down below. Just label them as two takes on the same concept/story - one simplified, and one fancy. In that case they *would* be two different videos, just with the same basic outline.

[BTW, you should edit with huffyuv if you're using wmm - divx only causes problems no matter what people tell you.]

Pyle · Post by **Pyle** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:46 am

Haha, congrats Arigatomyna, you made the 5000 post. Me = teh 5001.

Anyways, I didn't have much of a choice back then (made the vid quite awhile ago) and WMM2 handled it much much better.

It wasn't a *beta* for the video, it was the whole thing without any effects. I had that there so that I could enter it into Castor Troys' WMM contest. Then I could put the effects in with Roxio and introduce the final version.

And the final version is pimpin already. It has Koop-like overlays

*awaits a flame*