warez? Don't get me wrong just here me out

Mushkin · Post by **Mushkin** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:39 pm

I know many sites were you can get Pro to Maya software for like Cheap as hell prices which I am NOT going to post. how ever...This forum does not allow warez programs but it seems to be warez in its own...plz let me explain...

When you are makeing a music video you are useing copyrighted movies...and the songs you are useing are copyrighted as well...so did you do any of the following

*E-mail the artist about useing THERE song in a music video since you have to RIP the file from a CD to get it to .mp3 format?

*Did you E-mails funi or what ever company asking can I use your footage in a anime music video?

*even if the answer was yes then you still have to explain why you broke CCS on the DVD's and riped the files which we all know you can't do by todays law...

*and how many can sumit proof of the above anyway or prove me wrong anyway...?

I think you guys love AMV so much that you over see the other side of things kind of like a blinds eye to the dark side of things. To me you are just as bad and yes I make AMV too... No flameing just looking for other people thoughts on the subject...

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:46 pm

yes, but generally the anime and music which is being used in the video is was purchased by the person using it.

as for warez, its a different story while an audio cd costs around 15$, and an anime dvd costs between 20-40$, the software is generally in excess of 400$.

that is a major price difference.

plus the amvs are free advertisement for the bands an anime companys.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:52 pm

This topic has been discussed to death in the past.

It may be copyright infringement, BUT:
- the anime companies don't care because it's free advertisement for the series; in fact, some openly sponsor the hobby by donating prizes for AMV contests
- the record labels don't seem to care either

Therefore, as long as we support both industries by buying the official DVDs and audio CDs, we don't see any reason to feel bad about it.

Sir_Lagsalot · Post by **Sir_Lagsalot** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:05 pm

Paraphrased/quoted from [url]http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/2000-al ... 2-all.html[/url]

"There are three major defenses to copyright infringement. The first is "de minimis" use, that is, the amount taken was so small that it does not make a difference. The second is that the work should not have been copyrighted in the first place, because it was not original. The third, and largest exemption, is fair use."
AMVs typically fall under fair use, since they are non-commercial in nature; the use is " transformative", that is, the use of the copyrighted work create a new work of value to the user; the work is "worthy of protection"; the amount of material used is small; and finally, AMVs do not "fulfill demand for the original". Also, I would think that they could also fall under "de minimis"

Trying to say that AMVs are equivilent to wares is just being retarded.

Mushkin · Post by **Mushkin** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:08 pm

well i don't live in the past so i don't know what went on

I kind of see your point but you are still brakeing CCS DVD's even if you bought it number one and number 2 the court would not care about" but its good for them and supprts them answer" But I see were you are comeing from

Price should not say its cheap its ok

Just wanted honest replys man nothing more...

Mushkin · Post by **Mushkin** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:10 pm

Sir_Lagsalot wrote:Paraphrased/quoted from http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/2000-al ... 2-all.html

"There are three major defenses to copyright infringement. The first is "de minimis" use, that is, the amount taken was so small that it does not make a difference. The second is that the work should not have been copyrighted in the first place, because it was not original. The third, and largest exemption, is fair use."
AMVs typically fall under fair use, since they are non-commercial in nature; the use is " transformative", that is, the use of the copyrighted work create a new work of value to the user; the work is "worthy of protection"; the amount of material used is small; and finally, AMVs do not "fulfill demand for the original". Also, I would think that they could also fall under "de minimis"

ok good point

so someone define warez...we just tend to be the rules because its something we love but very good point

Trying to say that AMVs are equivilent to wares is just being retarded.

Mushkin · Post by **Mushkin** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:13 pm

wow that post came out wrong

I ment to say so we bend the rules because its something we love?

so someone define true warez then

good point and its been takeing for what its worth...I got my answer

the end

And thanks for the replys

bum · Post by **bum** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:42 pm

warez are things that, in effect, are stolen. if you buy a warez product then the company that made the actual product doesnt recieve any money and in fact, looses money on what could have otehrwise bein a succesful sale. warez are prety much the same thing as bootlegs. and in the end the only people that win are the pirates, and the consumer as well as the producion company both loose because the production company woent have enough money to improve their product and make new ones

VegettoEX · Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:51 pm

We're not making money off of our videos. The anime companies aren't losing money by our creating videos with their footage (unless you steal the footage, too), and the record industry isn't losing money by our creating the videos with their audio (unless you steal the audio, too).

Using pirated software causes a direct loss in profits by the people who write the code. I don't know about you, but I know plenty of code-monkeys that need to pay bills based on the software they write.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:57 pm

Audio and video theft being akin to warez would require someone encoding and distributing songs as .mp3's (Audio) and movies/tv eps in there entirety and distributed (the full hour or two worth of video).

An AMV is in part a work of art, many times a parody.

For an AMV to be like warez, the warez would have to be a hack job of two different programs put together in a unique way that makes it really quite different from the original software. Something more compact, and most of the time much worse than the two original pieces of software.