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Post by trythil » Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:55 pm

dwchang wrote:
TaranT wrote:Not worthless - inconsistent. Like I said, on a one-to-one basis anything is fine. It's when you try to add them together that you have problems.
Nah, I can see your point, but I could make the argument that if someone is "inconsistent", that is to a degree part of their opinion. I guess it sounds odd, but let's say someone gives all 10's to most videos. Sure I don't necessarily agree with that, but if they're "inconsistent" like that all the time, to a degree, they're being "consistent."
That's on the basis of one person, and if they think everything is 10 quality, then yes, that's them being consistent.

However, you cannot extend that same idea of consistency to multiple data points without further assurance that your data has been randomly sampled. This is impossible to achieve with the current opinions system.

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Post by dwchang » Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:09 pm

trythil wrote:This is impossible to achieve with the current opinions system.
Make a suggestion like I did ;).
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Post by OmniStrata » Sat Mar 20, 2004 4:02 am

oh boy, it's late, and this thread is too long...

But after reading through a few pages, I figured $0.02 is in order...

Everyone on the org should literally give out free opinions...

Is that hard to do?

Of course, cause 90% of us here are complete and utter fucking morons...


I'm probably in there somewhere...

But the thing is, some people value text just a little too highly... I like getting opinions, don't get me wrong, but I truely MISS writing them. I was always trying my best to give to the amv editing community in some way...

I'm not hot on software issues so I don't go to the forum there...
I'm not hot on hardware either...
I'm not that good at editing much other than dance amvs... [shrug]
and sometimes, my text is full of typos...

but I figured if there's SOMETHING I can do to help, let it be free opinions...

"If everyone would pray the rosary everyday, there'd be world peace"...

- can't remember who :lol:

well...

"if everyone would give out as many HELPFUL opinions as they could and we all RACED to become BOTH most useful AND most opinionated, then there'd be animemusicvideos.org peace".

- 2JA, Omni Strata Studios

heh... :D
"Strength lies in action. Let the weak react to me..." - Kamahl, Pit Fighter from Magic: the Gathering
"That is a mistake many of my enemies make. They think before they act. I act before I think!" - Vortigern from Merlin ('98)
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Post by Arigatomina » Sat Mar 20, 2004 4:51 am

OmniStrata wrote:"if everyone would give out as many HELPFUL opinions as they could and we all RACED to become BOTH most useful AND most opinionated, then there'd be animemusicvideos.org peace".

- 2JA, Omni Strata Studios

heh... :D
Does this mean you're back in the game? o.o
That would be a very good thing.

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Post by TaranT » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:18 am

dwchang wrote:
trythil wrote:This is impossible to achieve with the current opinions system.
Make a suggestion like I did ;).
Trythil got to this before me, but he's right: by consistent I meant from person to person. And this is un-fixable since the reviewers are what statisticians call "self-selecting". Meaning they choose which videos they want to look at and review as opposed to being randomly assigned.
dwchang wrote:It's a matter of which you get more of which in turn biases the data in that direction. I feel the "too nice" is that bias and it's shown in our global averages.
There is that bias, but there is another bias that is more revealing. On the first page of the star scale list you'll see 20-40 AMVs that have more than 500 ratings On the last page - or the 2nd to last if the last has less than 100 entries - you'll see exactly...zero...that have 500+ ratings, although one or two are close.

In plain English, the most desired (because people choose what they want to see), most downloaded, most rated AMVs are the ones with the highest scores. In plainer English, it's a popularity poll. Mainly it's popularity of specific videos, although popularity of creators may factor in to some degree. And a lot of other things factor in as well, so I'm not going to claim that it's purely a popularity contest, but it is mostly that. The numbers are the proof.

This is - allow me to speculate :wink: - why you're thinking that more opinions per video is the solution. The AMVs with the highest number of ratings are actually very good. So, it appears that the rating system is working. But it's only an illusion since the other AMVs - in the middle or at the bottom - are not getting the same treatment.

This wide difference between the rating counts at the top and the bottom is clear evidence that the system has no good statistical basis. And the general rule that more samples are always better is only true in carefully constructed situations.

Again, this doesn't mean the system needs changing. But it should not be assumed to be what it isn't.

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Post by FallenPhoenix » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:28 am

I'd have to say that if you got 10 opinions, 9 of which say your video is excellent and 1 of which says that your video is crap, then you most likely have yourself a good video. I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to disregard what the opinions say, especially when you got yourself a hefty amount of them. Fame or not, if 90% of the people that leave opinions like your video, then the video is good. There really is no hidden factors that I can see. And I'd have to say the same for bad videos. If all you got are 9 bad reviews a 1 good review, then you got yourself a bad video.

Obviously, if 90% like your video, you're doing SOMETHING right. And if 90% dislike your video, you're doing SOMETHING bad. But now I'm just reiterating myself. :)

As far as the best videos having the most opinions, well, you gotta ask yourself,
"Is it easier for me to write a positive opinion, or a negative opinion?"
I think the answer for most people is that, yes, it is easier to write a opinion. Thus, most people are more inclined to write positive opinions, simply because most people are inclined to do the easiest thing. Not only do you not leave yourself open for retribution if you leave a positive opinon rather than a negative opinoin, it's also easier, if there's already a lot of positive opions, to go with the flow and say, "Yeah, I liked it."

All of this is speculation, though.

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Post by FallenPhoenix » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:30 am

Last paragraph:
...yes, it is easier to write a *positive* opinion...

Confound the inability to edit.

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