Noob Tutoring?

LightningCountX · Post by **LightningCountX** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:39 am

Well, we all know that when someone makes their first video, 3/4 they dont know what they are doing hence its a bad video. Alot of people usually need someones help to improve. Ive helped alot of people by "tutoring" them, and teaching them how to make a good video. I must say, it does work alot. My studio(LoD Productions)started with me, )v(ajin Koji, and dbzrkyyh. We were a bunch of guys they had somewhat good amv's, but needed improvement. By learning from each other, and helping each other out, Koji was a nominee for the VCA's

. But anyways, i think it would or wouldn't(not to sure about this idea)to have a music video tutoring section. You can have people sign up to be tutor's, and people who are willing to sign up to be tutored. I always enjoyed helping around to help people of this site(i would donate but i have a low paying job =P). How would everyone feel about this?

/highly doubts this would work

Declan_Vee · Post by **Declan_Vee** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:43 am

You're talking about a basic run-down on what editing software is available, the basic procedures and the what not to do?s. Be it in the timeline (or around it) and on the site (forum also)? I think it may just work. If people were to read it, that is. I fail to see what tutoring would be required anyway. How to click and drag? Renaming a file? Finding notepad?

While many aspects of the process may seem very foreign at first the the said newbies. Those determined enough to find the answers, in the manual or the forum will live to edit another day, while the others will get frustrated and fade away.

As far as making a good video. Beauty is in the eyes of the creator. Perhaps you should be looking here: Phade's Guide to Good Anime Music Videos

Sorry if this post is just scambled nonsense. It's late and I've had a not-so-pleasant day.

LightningCountX · Post by **LightningCountX** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:57 pm

well, your opinion is greatly appreciated, but i guess since i was tired this morning i didnt get what i was saying all the way thru.

basically all the people that i tutor myself get lost in those guides, and one day they stumbled into one of my videos that they really enjoyed, and IM me and say wow, that was a great video, how did you do that? After we talk for awhile, and gain trust in one another i have them send beta's of the current videos they are working on, and i give them my opinion, and pointers to help make their final copy look as best as possible. I myself am still lost in the guides, and have a hard time understanding them. But keep in mind, there is alot of different ways of getting your video done. The guides are just a way of doing it. This is why i think maybe having some sort of a tutoring section would help others achieve and have better amv's.

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:44 pm

I like the idea.

a few problems:
-some users may abuse it just to get a free op.
-the audio and video 'help' sections already provide help from multiple sources to any specific problems a poster has. (on the other hand, chatting on aim is closer to 'realtime' communication and is more personal- the newb doesn't have to worry about flamers).
-it may 'dumb down' the whole amv editing experience for the noobs. part of the fun of making amvs is finding your own ways to overcome challenges.

but still many benefits:
-the newb may be less likely to give up
-the newb may be less likely to make a randomly edited video and give up afterwards
-critiques can be given on unfinished videos
-it could build better bonds within the community
-the tutor may learn a lot too

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:54 pm

It sounds like a proposal to make this forum. A place where people can get help on technical aspects whether it's audio, video, software or hardware so long as it's amv related. A place where they can get feedback and tips on editing by sharing their videos and looking at other 'better' videos. This site already has sections that give all of this.

What it *really* sounds like, is a proposal for a section that includes all of the help forums as well as the review exchange forum. Like having a chatroom attached to the site where people can talk about amvs and get help on any aspect of amvs. We have a chatroom. It's just a matter of how people use it.

As for personal 'tutors' - those who would volunteer for this 'section' already do that on their own - the idea of helping certain areas when asked to. What this would mean is that on top of watching the help sections and the op exchange/suggestion/announcement sections - the ones who are willing to help would also have to spend hours personally talking to individuals (taking hours into days into weeks if this were like a real tutoring section - I've done english and calculus tutoring - a one-time-tutor is no different from answering a question or leaving a review - you just proofread - helping the person who is already learning on his own).

This sort of thing is taking people by the hand and walking them through the entire thing - which goes against the principles of 'tutoring' - it's too much. If you write the paper for the person, then he learns nothing except how to be lazy. Sure, he might learn how you write if you make him watch the entire process, but that won't help him when he's doing it alone. You make the person dependent on you - and that's not tutoring.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:21 pm

I do enough teaching at work without having to do it when I get home too

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:52 pm

The problem I see with something like this, is there are probably a ton of people that would want to take advantage of it, and maybe only a few people that could actually "tutor". There's just no way that every person that wants a tutor could get one. This is why we have the guides, because 1 on 1 is inefficient and impossible :p

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:10 pm

The guides are certainly there.

I don't want to sound demeaning to anyone, but I think we gotta face the fact that the people who run around asking too many questions seem to lack either patience or technical competence to get the neccesary info out of EADFAG. Two options:

1) Make more noob-friendly guides

2) Tell the noobs to go and learn some tech common sense before jumping in

I think either option seems a little mean, either to the guide-writers, or aspiring newbies.

But this is where my turn to be slightly-demeaning comes in: I lean strongly to option 2. I think the guides contain all the info needed and more, though I don't think they should contain less or distribute it differently.

For answering individual questions, this forum does fine.

Tutoring... I just don't know. I don't think the existing learning methods are inadequate. I think those who require constant explaination and interpretation of info that's already there should just take it more slowly and be more patient.

What I'm afraid will happen is that people will flock to tutors looking for 'magic tricks' or 'quick solutions' - things that will get them from zero to great editor in no time, without investing the patience to go through the info and getting the 'dumbed-down' explainations instead. But it doesn't work that way! There's no 'magic tricks' or 'quick solutions'! And the 'dumbed-down' info will get them stuck and running back for answers in no time...

Just thoughts, as all...

LightningCountX · Post by **LightningCountX** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:16 pm

Well, the guides are cool and all, but like i said earlier...alot of people dont understand how to do the methods described in the guides and so they give up trying to learn how to rip dvd's and stick to kazaa. I do see how it would be hard to get people to do this, but how about maybe updating the guides section with the different ways you can do stuff. There are too little guides and this site and it kinda pisses me off. Also, if the interview section would be continued that would be great. People can read about the best amv editors, how they came about, and learn stuff from reading those interviews. Also maybe it would be cool to have a effects section somewhere on the site which records the how to's on different video editors instead of people like me(maybe this will cut Zarxrax a break =P)asking all the time in video help about how to do this and how to do that.

Most of the people on this site complain and complain about people making downloaded dbz videos, and that the person sucks. THAT ISNT HELPING! If everyone got more involved with this site, i think it would be quite nice. And seeing how many members there are to this site(135250) and how many voted in the vca's its horrible. I just want the beginner editors to enjoy themselves here, and get more in touch with their hobby.

I think im done ranting now

mckeed · Post by **mckeed** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:23 pm

Otohiko wrote:The guides are certainly there.

What I'm afraid will happen is that people will flock to tutors looking for 'magic tricks' or 'quick solutions' - things that will get them from zero to great editor in no time, without investing the patience to go through the info and getting the 'dumbed-down' explainations instead. But it doesn't work that way! There's no 'magic tricks' or 'quick solutions'! And the 'dumbed-down' info will get them stuck and running back for answers in no time...

Just thoughts, as all...

I totally agree. Not everyone can make a good video period, even with great technical understanding. Using fancy tricks witout knowing fundamentals doesn't help you create new and innovative videos, just flashy ones. Half the battle is ideas and execution. The only way to learn is to fight throught the guides and your program of choice. If then they can understand theory of editing and how to create their own effects they are leaps ahead of most people. Half the issue is maturity as well with some creators who don't have patience. Just put in the time to learn and you will eventually get there.