Evanescence alternative? Help...

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:48 pm

flint_the_dwarf wrote:I know of one really good one... but I really doubt it would work, because it's more about loss.

Oh, this isn't for the video I'm working on now - I decided to put off the character profile and do a different story for it. But I would like to have a trilogy for this anime, so I'm looking for at least one more song that would fit - if it's about loss, that might work perfectly for the character profile (he's completely isolated most of the time - sadly enough, but 'Bring Me to Life' would be perfect for him - but that's not the romantic idea I'm looking for a song to use). Now I'm just really wanting to hear some soft dramatic and haunting songs - but with fast sections at least in the middle or end. I figured this was as good a time to ask as ever. ^_^;

I think you could definitely like it, though, so you might want to check it out anyway. The song is "Different Worlds" by Evergrey and I think it would make a great video. Just... not for this one. It's possibly the most angsty song I have ever heard, and really haunting. It's not actually about lost love or anything, but it can easily be interpreted that way. "State of Paralysis" off the same album is also really good.

Heh, you have some great songs. But so far all of the ones you've introduced me to are 'off-limits' so that doesn't help me at all. ;p I'd need a song you aren't planning to make your own video for. ^.~

Sorry this isn't much help right now, most of the songs I listen to aren't anything fitting of puppy love.

Yeah, I say 'puppy love' because I'd like to do a video that doesn't really focus on the romance (I'm *doing* a romantic one first, but it's *really * romantic as in possible future romance). What I'd like is a song that's more about emotions and just good old fashioned love - eternal type love that doesn't rely on the people being together - just knowing the other is happy - that sort of 'idealistic' romantic theme because the characters don't end up being together at all - and they have to live with that, still in love but apart. That's what made Rose Thorne (my muse ^.~ ) recommend Evanescence - they have a lot of those sorts of songs.

An instrumental song would be excellent for this, but I know of 12 - the ones I got from my old Kenshin soundtrack - but they just don't fit the mood of the footage at all. I don't listen to enough non-disco instrumental music.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:04 pm

Nah, these songs aren't off limits.

I'd love to see you do a video to "Different Worlds."

that sort of 'idealistic' romantic theme because the characters don't end up being together at all

Ohhh... hmm... well here are the lyrics. Take a look. ^_^ The song starts really slow and then gets real heavy, haunting, and angsty. The lyrics seem a little too extreme for what you're looking for though.

I could probably recommend you some instrumentals, what are you looking for? Just one that starts slow and sweet and gets heavy?

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:20 pm

The group "Nightwish" is supposed to be very similar to Evanescence. Personally, I don't know (read: I've never actually listened to their stuff).

There's always old standbys, like "Hallelujah" or "Everlong". "Hallelujah" definately has the dramatic feel, as well as the content and rise, but it's a very different musical style.

Now that I think of it, Sting's "Desert Rose" might work, or Mozart's "Requiem". Again, both have the dramatic feel. The fact that "Requiem" is actually a prayer of some kind is largely irrelevant.

.....
OK, so only the first bit really fits the bill.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:32 pm

Nah, Nightwish is a little too operatic to be angsty like she's looking for. As much as I love Nightwish, I don't think they fit the bill here.

Oh, and Ari, there's one part in the song I recommended that the lyrics don't include. It's a rather tormented speech part, I'll try to translate (it sounds like he's crying and he's whispering)...

Oh god it's happening again
Don't want to be here
I don't want to be here
Oh please don't touch me
You're not taking me
I don't want to be here
I don't wanna be here
I wanna go home
I wanna- oh please don't touch me
Please don't touch me
I wanna go home...

And then it gets really heavy but still slow and haunting. The whole CD is actually about alien abduction, but you can interpret it differently. The way I could interpret this is that he wants to avoid pain by pushing away the person he loves. As for the rest of the song, him pushing her away is causing mental anguish because they live in "different worlds." I know it could make a great video, but I don't know if it's what you're looking for.

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:22 pm

Goddamnit Flint, stop giving away my Argent Soma idea.

(I SWEAR I'm going to make that video one of these days, as soon as I get my damn gear going again). Use "State of Paralysis", not "Different Worlds" and all will be smoothed once more.

As for Evanescence replacements, most of us in the scene feel that Amy Lee's band is a pale shadow of The Gathering or Lacuna Coil. You may have heard LC's "Heaven's A Lie" on the radio lately...depending on what stations you listen to, and how with it they are. The sound is a very similar neo-gothic post-metal on all three bands, though in all fairness both LC and The Gathering do have some crunchier moments in their back catalogs.

"Saturnine" by The Gathering would fit the bill really well on this sort of idea, as well as the song I'm working with right now, "Broken Glass" (another one from Anneke et al).

Saturnine:
The day you went away
You had to screw me over
I guess you didn't know
all the stuff you left me with
is way too much to handle
But I guess you don't care

You don't need to preach
you don't have to love me, all the time

Whatever on earth possessed you
to make this bold decision
I guess you don't need me
While whispering those words
I cried like a baby
hoping you would care

You don't need to preach
you don't have to love me, all the time

You don't have to preach
all the time

Broken Glass:
Strange vibe circles round
Tries to comfort buzzing sounds
Form an arrow point at us
We the target are the one
Place your bet on the best
The fastest horse you can find

Drop yourself in the grass
Breathe the air at last
Hold on tight don't fall down
Breathe the air through the water

Form an arrow point at us
We the target are the center
Find the key lock the door
Close your eyes for encore
Drop yourself in the grass
Breathe the air at last
Hold on tight don't you fall down
Breathe the air through the water

Find your peace, turn inside
You the target you the center
Find the key, lock the door
Close your eyes for encore
Drop yourself in the grass
Breathe the air at last
Hold on tight don't you fall down
Breathe the air through the water

label-official dl of "Broken Glass" can be found at this page (scroll down).
A similar preview of "Saturnine" is available from here (scroll about halfway down); there are also some Lacuna Coil preview tracks about 2/3 of the way down the page. [Note to mods: these tracks are posted *by* the labelstaff, *on* the pages for the labels that distribute the applicable CDs, *with* the band's knowledge and consent.]

hth,

--K

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:52 pm

Woah, I didn't know LC was getting radio play, that's awesome. Have you heard Flowing Tears? Another very nice female fronted metal band - from Century Media, I believe. Check out "Breach" or "Merlin" for starters, if you're interested and haven't heard them yet. I just got into them a few weeks ago. They aren't quite goth like LC but they're really cool to listen to.

I haven't heard The Gathering's "Saturnine" so I can't comment on this one.

But I do like what I've heard from them.

Kai Stromler wrote:Goddamnit Flint, stop giving away my Argent Soma idea.

(I SWEAR I'm going to make that video one of these days, as soon as I get my damn gear going again). Use "State of Paralysis", not "Different Worlds" and all will be smoothed once more.

O.o

Lol, I didn't think you were planning an Evergrey vid.

Last time I talked with you about Evergrey, I mentioned doing a video to "The Great Deceiver" and you didn't seem like you were interested in doing an Evergrey vid at all. But that was a while ago...

Anyway, I've thought about it more, and "State of Paralysis" wouldn't work very well at all. It's too short and doesn't get heavy ever. When I recommended that, I was thinking that and the next song were all one song (because they flow together) but it's "The Encounter" that gets heavy, not "State of Paralysis." And "The Encounter" doesn't have fitting lyrics.

Either way, as long as there is a video to "Different Worlds," I'm happy. You're one of the people I'd allow to do a video with this song, so there will be no problem.

I don't see why you can't both use it though...

ithaqua · Post by **ithaqua** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:39 am

Well, I hope these work out:

tweaker - Imperfections: It's got the woman singer, and the slow backdrop that retains energy, etc...

Nocturne - a bit more on the Manson-ish side, but better. No, really!

Meg Lee Chin - just awesome. Her website has a ton of clips you can listen to, but I'm to lazy to link right now

Bjork - Army Of Me: simply the most rocking Bjork song

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:47 am

Thanks again for all the suggestions. ^_^ I'm getting a nice variety of songs to look up here - more than I'd hoped for.

I really am hopeless when it comes to modern music - most of my cds are from the 80s and earlier unless they're soundtracks. ^_^;;

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:23 am

flint_the_dwarf wrote:Lol, I didn't think you were planning an Evergrey vid. Last time I talked with you about Evergrey, I mentioned doing a video to "The Great Deceiver" and you didn't seem like you were interested in doing an Evergrey vid at all. But that was a while ago...

it was....back in July infact. But I have a stupidly encyclopediac memory and get few enough PMs to not bother deleting them.

Kai and flint on PM wrote:
I've got a similar idea close in the queue though, Argent Soma using Evergrey's "Different Worlds" (from the _In Search of Truth_ album). Pure psychological torture and existential angst.
Nice, I just bought In Search of Truth two weeks ago and I love it. Bought it along with 8 other CDs. Different Worlds is such a sad song, I rank it up there with Trilogy of the Damned for Evergrey's greatest emotional songs.

Not that there's really a problem with Ari using the song either.

From CM's newspage, as of about 3 weeks ago:
"The commercial radio support surrounding “Heaven’s A Lie” has been nothing short of phenomenal. The hit single is currently being played at over 65 active rock stations throughout the U.S."

It's good to see success happen to a band that's actually got some talent and paid some dues.

--K

bawenrich · Post by **bawenrich** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:46 am

Anything by Vast