Pisses me off

[Flint the Dwarf]

But people just making stuff without even knowing what the real names or even the artists of the songs are, let alone know what the songs are all about, that's just plain wrong.

Well, I think she was saying it doesn't matter if they understand what the song was about. Clearly, they have an interpretation of the song and want to show that. And even if they don't, they're free to have fun. That's what this is about. It's understandable if that pisses you off, I guess, but then it has nothing to do with you.

[Brsrk]

My rant about this

[ProphetDK]

OK, yes I give you that if you are going to use a song, please try and find out the name and artist correctly.

This is my opinion and i seem to share that with some of the other members who do care about what we make, and want to make something that we can be proud of, instead of just making a crappy AMV to a crappy popsong.

I *do* care about what I create, and I am sure Ari does too, this implies that we dont because we dont share your views. Now to go to your refference of "in the end" by linkin park

Lyrics:
(It starts with)
One thing / I don’t know why
It doesn’t even matter how hard you try
Keep that in mind / I designed this rhyme
To explain in due time
All I know
time is a valuable thing
Watch it fly by as the pendulum swings
Watch it count down to the end of the day
The clock ticks life away
It’s so unreal
---

Yes the writers of the song may have well meant the ending of a relationship. But if you look at the words and interperate them as someone who has done so much for a cause, and now realizing it was for nothing can be brought out too. Like a long drawn out battle that in the end he lost.

I dont see how this would make anyone mad. As was said this is for fun, I know there are a lot of Linkin ball Z vids and some may be good, but you dont have to watch them.

[Arigatomina]

And about the Linkin Park thing, i cannot see any way in which this song can even be used, except by the sort of people discribed above who just pick a song that's in the charts, because, well it's in the charts so lets use it.

You mean to say there is no way to use a Linkin Park song in an amv? Or are you saying there is no way to use one and have it be in the same *context* as the original song writers intended it to be? Either way, I beg to differ.

For instance, LP's 'Hit the Floor' is about a person in a relationship where he is constantly suppressed, always the one silently fuming rather than standing up for himself and waiting for the day when he can move forward and get out from under that oppression. That is the context of that song, the context of the relationship in the anime used, and so that is the context of this video:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=26849

Another case, LP's 'Don't Stay' is about a man in a relationship in which he finds himself never 'good enough,' his partner is trying to change him into something else and he knows it's just an all around bad situation and wants to get out of it, but he's fighting with himself - fighting the need to stay with that person. That is the context of that song, the context of the relationship in the anime used, and so that is the context of this video:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=27331

I've yet to make a video using 'In the End,' but you yourself have said that it is about a relationship - it's about a relationship in which the man continually strives to make it, trying again and again to keep from failing and loosing the one he wants to impress, someone who really doesn't even understand who he is on the inside. This is the context of the song, and it's the context of Vegeta's constant striving to be 'good enough' to be on the same level with his rival - it's the context of the anime, and so it is the context of this video:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... php?v=5928

Another, LP's 'Crawling' is about a person who hides his anger inside himself, denying its existence in the hopes that he can continue to be normal, but those emotions, that darker side continues to push for freedom and he's fighting against it, and against himself. That is the context of the song, and that is the context of this anime since Kurama also has a dark side he strives to hold in check, so that is the context of this video:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=17928

Another, LP's 'From the Inside' is about a person who is suffering in a relationship and blames himself, he doesn't trust himself not to hurt his partner, and he doesn't believe he has it in him to keep those negative emotions from coming to the surface - so he strives to throw all of that away and isolate himself in the hopes of never hurting a loved one again. That is the context of that song, and that is the context of this anime, so that is the context of this video:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=23277

Now tell me, how is it that you think LP songs can't be used and kept 'in-context'? It sounds more like you are making the assumption that a 'relationship' automatically has to be sexual and therefore romantic. But LP's songs don't just focus on break-ups between girlfriends. They have songs about father/son relationships, friends who are rivals, and people who simply fight against themselves. The context may *be* in the songs themselves, but you seem to be deciding for yourself what the context is without looking at it closely enough.

I know you're free to your opinion, and if you think amvs should only use songs in the exact context the song writer intended, that is fine. But don't discredit videos that *do* use the context intended just because you have a different interpretation *of* that context. I happen to have a few songs that I hate to see people make videos to for a reason *just* like yours - I disagree with the interpretation of the song.

For instance, Saliva's 'Always' is about two men, with the narrator being in an abusive relationship. Yet there are many videos out there that twist it to be a simple romantic action vid about a guy and girl who have no problems in their relationship at all. I may not like it, and I may think they should have kept to the original context, but I'd never go so far as to say they have no right to interpret the song however they choose to. Freedom of opinion, free choice, it keeps the amv world from being limited and dull.

[Arigatomina]

I *do* care about what I create, and I am sure Ari does too, this implies that we dont because we dont share your views.

Thank you, you're quite right. ^_^ I happen to like my videos very much, and I know I'm not alone in that. I may interpret songs differently, but that does not mean the videos are 'bad' just because of that. Since I tend to choose songs based on lyrics first (music as an afterthought), interpretation is foremost in my amv making process. If I didn't think the song fit, I'd never use it.

[bum]

a song, is a piece of art. and the meaning behind a piece of art rests in the viewer, not the artist who creates it. everyone has thier own perfectly legitimate view (well, withing certian context) of an amv. and as far as any decent amv creator is concerned, if you wana bitch about smoeone's amv without providing any decent thing to argue, then it would be beter that you fuck off, because even the hand isnt listening any more

[Kaji01]

I've had cases where people have told me that one of my videos (Evangelion/Don't Fear the Reaper) misinterpreted the song because I made it about a relationship, meanwhile one of Kai's videos (Comic Party/Wicker Man) recently surprised me by showing a concept of perseverance to achieve a goal where I had previously seen a theme of vengeance. It's possible to have completely different views of the meanings of videos based on how you choose to interpret certain things and how deeply you choose to look into the song.

[Rozard]

It used top bug me but I've given up on trying to correctly inform people.

System of a Down - Angels deserve to die
System of a Down - When Angels deserve to die
Linkin Park - Forfit the game

Don't forget last year's AWA Pro entry, using that awesome band, System Of The Down.

[Undertow]

It's possible to have completely different views of the meanings of videos based on how you choose to interpret certain things and how deeply you choose to look into the song.

That's perfectly alright with me, as long as people can see that you actually spent time checking out the meaning of the song and the words used in it. If you show that you know what the song is about ans also show that in the video, it wouldn't be a bad video in my opinion.
The thing that just gets to me is people that really don't care about the song, by just sticking random "cool looking images" to a song that they haven't spent time listening to. And the people that just don't do any research on the song, thereby getting the name of the song and even the artist wrong.
But making a Hellsing or Vampire Hunter D AMV on a song about a racecar is not my idea of a good video. So all i'm saying is, people just choose your songs carefully and know what it's about. Just knowing what's it about, the song could influence the AMV by the mood that it gives.

[Flint the Dwarf]

That's perfectly alright with me, as long as people can see that you actually spent time checking out the meaning of the song and the words used in it. If you show that you know what the song is about ans also show that in the video, it wouldn't be a bad video in my opinion.

Well, that also relies on talent. Some people simply aren't talented enough to portray meaning clearly enough that everybody can comprehend it. So, in that case, you'd be criticizing them for being sub-par editors.