Opinion Responses

[Arigatomina]

Nudges close to you,
Have I ever told you how beautiful you are?

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=29612 ^.~

Put a link to your new 'tears of a goddess' vid in that thread, and I'd be happy for an excuse to review it. ^_^

[Jonathan02us]

Yeah, i only ask people to op because this vid that i just uploaded was my first one and i wanted some feedback on wat i should work on. But in the future, i wont be too presistant ...

Just stick with the 1:1 exchanges - those people *want* to exchange vids they might otherwise never have watched. Or do what I do - stick with the free review offers. At least that way, the person giving those reviews is under no obligation to review a vid he didn't like, so you're not forcing him to do anything - he's inviting you to share your work with someone who wants to see a variety of videos made by people interested in feedback. ^_^ I love the free op exchanges - they're about as close as you get to having people review just because they like to give feedback to creators.

Yeah thats wat i plan on doing so that i dont have to force anyone to do an op for my vid ... thats the best way ...

[godix]

So now that I know you only see reviews as a way to get on the top 10 list, I'd rather not review your videos.

Mostly I'm just going to agree to disagree, especially since we don't really disagree we're just phrasing things differently, but I want to correct this one perception. I do *not* ask for or want ops solely to get scores. If I ever manage to make a video good enough to be in the top listings I trust it'll get there without me begging for it. The only time I specifically asked for opinions was because I wanted to verify if people did or didn't like how I did a certain effect. After posting in three free review threads made by people with a history of giving detailed reviews (I checked before asking) I had enough feedback on that effect and won't be asking again even though that video only has half what's needed to get listed. The scores themselves didn't mean much to me, I can't honestly even tell you what they were, the detailed feedback is what I wanted and paid attention to.

This doesn't mean I'm not aware of the top listings when I review though. I have given at least one review mainly because I thought the video deserved to be listed and it didn't have enough ops yet. A good video will get in the top listings without the creator begging and I'm willing to take a part in that if need be.

[Arigatomina]

I do *not* ask for or want ops solely to get scores. If I ever manage to make a video good enough to be in the top listings I trust it'll get there without me begging for it. The only time I specifically asked for opinions was because I wanted to verify if people did or didn't like how I did a certain effect.

I don't think we're disagreeing - just that you're a very unusual member - who doesn't fit the many profiles I've seen around. You honestly don't care if people like your videos or not and only ask for feedback to improve yourself (effects). I don't understand that, so that's probably the problem. Now that you know the effects are good, are you going to leave the org and stop sharing your videos? I mean, if you don't care if people like them or not, there really isn't much point in uploading them here (or even putting direct/indirect links to them).

I just don't see the point in sharing your videos when you don't care if anyone likes them or not. Listing them is good since this is a catelogue first, but there's no point making them available for download. If the viewer's opinions (like/dislike) don't matter, then they don't need to see the vids to begin with. Why not keep them private?

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[godix]

You honestly don't care if people like your videos or not and only ask for feedback to improve yourself (effects).

I do care somewhat. I just don't care as much as some other editors. I certainly don't care enough to change what I want to do just to pander to someone else and I definately don't care enough to pimp my videos just to be popular. If someone downloads them and likes them, great. If not then oh well, that's not why I made the thing anyway. Regardless of that, I don't need ops to tell me if it's liked or not. While it's true the star ratings are gummed up by people who vote straight 3's or whatever, enough people vote honestly that they are useful in comparison. For example I know the typical person who viewed my videos considered them somewhat above average with the exception of the badger thing (which, incidently, I don't think is all that good either).

I don't understand that, so that's probably the problem.

It's not a matter of I don't value popularity but rather I value something else alot more. Originality is the greatest thing in any art form and original things are usually unpopular just due to the WTF factor.

Now that you know the effects are good, are you going to leave the org and stop sharing your videos?

Not at the moment, I still have some ideas to try. Once I think I've hit my plateau where I'm just rehashing things I've already done then I'll quit and find a new hobby.

If the viewer's opinions (like/dislike) don't matter, then they don't need to see the vids to begin with. Why not keep them private?

Because some people like them which is nice. Because I need more feedback than my friends 'it's ok' to improve. Because occasionally I can pass on what I learned to someone who's duplicating the same mistakes I did. Because I don't take myself or my creations seriously enough to worry about what others will think. Because I have a sadistic sense of humor which occasionally expresses itself in inflicting things like the badger video on people.

[DrngdKreationz]

Hey Everyone, This is kinda on the other side of the subject... basically leaving reviews. I've downloaded quite a few vids where I see there was a lot of hard work put into them and looked clean, but it just wasn't my taste. and/or had a hard time actually sitting through the whole vid without walking away from it. I have a hard time leaving a review.. Id rather not because I could barely even finish watching it.

I personally would rather not leave a review than give a bad score because it wasn't my bowl of rice.

What are your thoughts on that?

[Jonathan02us]

Hey Everyone, This is kinda on the other side of the subject... basically leaving reviews. I've downloaded quite a few vids where I see there was a lot of hard work put into them and looked clean, but it just wasn't my taste. and/or had a hard time actually sitting through the whole vid without walking away from it. I have a hard time leaving a review.. Id rather not because I could barely even finish watching it.

I personally would rather not leave a review than give a bad score because it wasn't my bowl of rice.

What are your thoughts on that?

Mayb its best to not leave a review if ur that against the anime series and u cant stand it. O mayb u can look the other way and put wat u actually thought of the video overall, without the bias of not liking that anime series. I dont kno, thats just my suggestion.

[Arigatomina]

That's a very good question, and I think it depends on the person. I used to review everything I downloaded - I even went out of my way to get vids by those on the top lists because I wanted to see why people liked them enough to put them there. But I've found that most creators don't want you to review their vids unless you liked them.

Now, unless a person asks me to review it (in an op exchange), I don't review videos I don't like. The only times I might review something I had trouble sitting through is if the creator is new and could really use some constructive feedback to help him in the future - and even then I know to expect flames.

People just expect reviews to be made by fans - getting a negative (however helpful) review out of the blue tends to make them defensive, especially if it hurts their scores. The main question I get when I review those videos is - "If you didn't like it, why review it?"

So I don't anymore unless I'm asked to, or I know I can be of help to the creator whether he *asks* for the help or not. After all, if I see a vid that has potential, I'm going to try and help that person reach his potential - then maybe next time I can give him a review on a vid I *did* like. I'm selfish that way - I like to see those with similar tastes to my own improve so I can watch their improved vids and enjoy them.

[downwithpants]

I often give opinions that are relatively low in score. It's true that many times the creator will get pissed off at a review with low marks and perhaps ignore it altogether, but I think a lot of creators need to learn how to accept criticism. If we were really to follow the principle of "If you didn't like it, why review it?" and the only opinions given were praiseful ones, it would be really hard for the most of us to improve. Learning creators, talented or not, really need to know what others think when they watch their videos for the first time. It is something they can't experience on their own.

Nonetheless, if you give low marks, make sure you explain why you gave low marks as thoroughly and honestly as you can, otherwise you'll most likely be pissing off the creator without helping him or her improve.

As for your dilemma, you have to ask yourself if you're willing to think about why it just wasn't your taste and put it into words.

[dwchang]

A bit late on my response here, but I *try* my best to respond to every opinion given, but also agree with Alan and Trythil on this. I usually tend to write more when the person themselves writes more. In essence, more to reply to. I also seem to reply a lot when either the person hits it on the money (i.e. it resonates with my feelings on the video) or they're just wrong on something. OK I guess no one is every wrong per se, since it's an opinion, but I mean...I disagree with what they are saying (even if it's praise).

At the same time, I hate to admit it, but...I think I'm behind at least 50 opinion responses. I apologize if that comes across as arrogant or something, but yeah, I haven't had time to respond to them all and will hopefully get to it one day like last time (Yeah last time I had a bunch, I did them all in a day and it took like an hour >_<).

Regardless of what folks do responding to opinions, it's their choice. It's not like the reviewer expects to get a response anyway. They're doing it because they feel like it and in turn, the creator should respond only when they feel like it too. None of this forced or obligation crap. If anything, that sorta cheapens the response. Just my two cents.