Opinion Responses

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:35 pm

Kaji01 wrote: Default formalities without sincerity can make you seem false in other regards as well, but by the same token even when they are done with sincerity there will always be those who will miss the sincerity due to the way that they view it.

A "canned" response is always better than just silence. It at least let's the reviewer know you cared enough to read their opinion. Anytime someone doesn't respond to a review I give (especially since I take alot of time writing them), that is the last review they ever receive from me again.

Kaji01 · Post by **Kaji01** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:25 pm

I see what you're saying there, man. It's one of those things I've had conflicting thoughts on at times, to be honest. It kind of harkens back to the question of "When should I leave an op?" I'm the kind of guy who is very hard to offend, so the fact that less than half my ops have received replies doesn't bother me, which I guess at times can sometimes be projected onto the reviewer unconsciously. Usually I do my ops as part of an exchange, so I tend to see returning the op with another one as being better, frankly, than receiving a response to the one I left them, but that depends on the person. I'll likely be making an effort to respond to more of them in the future, as I quite honestly hadn't realized that so many of the members of the community made such a big deal out of receiving them (I'm not saying that it's a bad thing that they do or that they shouldn't mind you, just that I'm surprised by how many do is all)

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:36 pm

Kaji01 wrote:Usually I do my ops as part of an exchange, so I tend to see returning the op with another one as being better, frankly, than receiving a response to the one I left them, but that depends on the person.

No, this is just how I was when I was doing Op Exchanges. As far as I was concerned, the person only reviewed because he *had* to - and I repaid him with an equally forced review. To me, that wasn't like someone just going out and reviewing a video because he liked it or cared enough to try to help the person making it (with feedback). I saw those reviews as cool, almost mechanical bits of criticism - like exchanging a paper in an english class and getting peer responses for them. I wouldn't thank the person - I wouldn't need to - it was an even exchange, not a gift.

But that was back before I stopped doing the op exchanges regularly. Now I don't really distinguish the two - I still force a few specific editors to watch and review my videos in exchanges (because of respect for their skills usually), but most of the time I'd rather get no reviews than a forced review. I prefer the rare gift (and I reply to all of those now) over an almost monetary exchange of criticism (cold, forced, too much like a business arrangement). And I'm more grateful to a gift-giver than I am to my boss for paying me for the work I do for him (even exchange, though some get overpaid since usefulness depends on editing skills).

godix · Post by **godix** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:09 pm

Kaji01 wrote:Usually I do my ops as part of an exchange, so I tend to see returning the op with another one as being better, frankly, than receiving a response to the one I left them, but that depends on the person.

I personally hate op exchanges for the simple reason I only op when I actually have something to contribute. I don't want to be forced to op something that I didn't find anything constructive to say. My star ratings say if I liked something or not, my ops are for saying things that I think will help the person become a better editor. I don't want to be forced into leaving an op that says nothing more than 'this sucks/rocks'. Similarly I don't want to force someone else into the same situation. If they decide to leave that type of op without pressure from me that's fine, but I'm not going to try forcing people into it.

All of which explains why I won't do op exchanges, I won't op a creator who didn't respond previously, and I'm much more inclined to take a look at other videos of those who did respond. I'm not going to bother suggesting improvements for someone who isn't paying attention but if the person responded I'm interested in if they liked my suggestions and if that actually improved them or not.

Kaji01 · Post by **Kaji01** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:45 pm

Well, I just finished going back and reviewing/responding to the ops I've received (I'd already responded to half of them, so it didn't take too terribly long). My apologies if I've offended anybody in here with some of the remarks I'd made along the way, I hadn't realized that the responses meant as much to some people as the opinions do to the creators, so it's been quite an interesting learning experience watching this thread so far...

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 1:12 am

Heh, it's my rule to ALWAYS leave an opinion response.

Hey, this person grabbed my video and took a whole few minutes of their life [which can be doing something else] to sit back and grill my vid that I worked my *** off for...

Even if it's a few words, I always leave something... [and if I missed someone, please tell me so I can respond asap]

I like writing ops but I like it more when people respond, makes me feel like I did something helpful...

ProphetDK · Post by **ProphetDK** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 2:27 am

And youve helped me, omnistrata, with my encoding, divx 5.xx was not the best choice and I know that now.

But I always respond to my ops I get. Cause I like ops that let me know what I did right and what I did wrong.

Jnzk · Post by **Jnzk** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 5:15 pm

I also respond to every op I receive. If I leave comments for someone else, not getting even a simple "thank you" makes me feel bad.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 5:25 pm

I try to give responses as often as I can but sometimes I get behind and have to catch up.

I was up to date a few months ago but I need to do more replies now.

godix · Post by **godix** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:33 pm

I noticed something about this thread which on after thought should have been obvious to begin with. The popular creaters who have dozens of opinions on their videos tend to not reply (or reply after a very long time) while those of us who have less than a dozen opinions amoung all our videos take the time to reply. This is a generalization of course, there are plenty of popular creators who reply and plenty of newbies who don't. I guess this makes sense, despite their best intentions I'm sure the popular creators get an 'oh yet another opinion, ho-hum' attitude while the less popular are still shocked someone downloaded it much less oped it. Then of course theres the element of it'd hard to sound like a form reply with two ops and very very hard not to sound like a form to twenty ops. And there's the element AbsoluteDestiny mentions, time. I can't imagine how long it'd take him to reply to every op, especially if he's trying to not sound like a form reply.

All told this thread has re-enforced something I've started developing anyway, once a vid hits 8 ops and can appear in the top 10 it's not worth the effort to op it anymore. The creators who get this are better than me anyway so I don't have much to say and there's no tangible benifit to more than 8 ops.