practice amv's ?

bum · Post by **bum** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 6:35 pm

i CANT care about scores because hardly anyone ever reviews, which is a shame because i worked real hard on them. ah well, mabey now that peopel know i exist here they'll start op'ing whichever vid i release next. then again i do have a "personal critic" who dl's all my vids and is honest about them (barstard

) . also, i dont think its a waest of time if you uploaded a vid that everyone hates. i mean, as long as a few people actulay say what they hated about it then you learn how to improve your next amv

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 6:57 pm

bum wrote:i CANT care about scores because hardly anyone ever reviews, which is a shame because i worked real hard on them.

You know, other people work really hard on their vids also but it seems you have given...

average given 0

ops for anyone else? It's hard to feel sympathy for you when you haven't even bothered to give 1 opinion.

Beowulf · Post by **Beowulf** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:39 pm

burn.

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:07 pm

mexicanjunior wrote: ops for anyone else? It's hard to feel sympathy for you when you haven't even bothered to give 1 opinion.

In defense of people who don't opinionate:

Would you rather have "opinions" from somebody who knows what they're talking about and can say something useful, or a random newbie drooling "OMG OMG THIS SUCKED [or ROCKED]" and nothing else?

Personally, I don't opinionate because I don't know a damn thing about AMVs, and I'm not going to pretend that I do.

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:31 pm

SarahtheBoring wrote:
mexicanjunior wrote: ops for anyone else? It's hard to feel sympathy for you when you haven't even bothered to give 1 opinion.
In defense of people who don't opinionate:

Would you rather have "opinions" from somebody who knows what they're talking about and can say something useful, or a random newbie drooling "OMG OMG THIS SUCKED [or ROCKED]" and nothing else?

Personally, I don't opinionate because I don't know a damn thing about AMVs, and I'm not going to pretend that I do.

Any opinion is a good opinion in my book. It lets the creator know someone cared enough to watch their video and provide feedback (good or bad). If you don't feel comfortable reviewing vids, it's cool, but don't post saying how ashamed you are of other people for not reviewing your vids (like Bum did). That's just straight hypocrisy to me.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:27 pm

SarahtheBoring wrote:Personally, I don't opinionate because I don't know a damn thing about AMVs, and I'm not going to pretend that I do.

Heh, you know my view on it already, but I'll say it again anyway.

After a certain point, I think some people stop taking 'editing' or 'amv-creating' to be a task where constant improvement is the main goal and start seeing it as a fun bit of fanwork - making something for an anime you like and getting pleasure out of sharing that with others who like it as well. In that case, any positive review is a good one.

I'll be honest about it - when I first started I was dying for some detailed reviews because I learned fast that I was simply *bad* at editing and I wanted the amvs I made to look better (for myself as well as my viewers). Back then I was half afraid to post in the forum, let alone try an op exchange and risk getting flamed to death my first time out. By the time I started doing exchanges I was already at the 'not *too* bad level.' But after a while I reached a point where I didn't care about improving - I got to the point where my vids were good enough to satisfy me and any improvement is an afterthought. That's when I stopped doing opinion exchanges - I didn't need (want, burn for) the detailed reviews.

Oh sure, I love to get them still since they tend to help me notice small things I'd have otherwise missed. But I'm satisfied when a person who enjoyed the vid tells me "I loved it," or "I really liked this, if only you'd shown why they were fighting," or even the old "it just didn't do anything for me but maybe next time." Details are great for those who want to improve, but as I've learned from one of my favorite storytelling amv makers - sometimes the most helpful feedback is knowing what the fans would like you to have added to a video. I've gone the 'exchange and force people to watch the vid' route - I'd rather just sit back and let those who enjoyed it review. Maybe they don't do it often, but a few single-word reviews can make a huge difference in my view of the particular vids (I'm all about interpretting my target audience - and they're the ones I want to hear from most).

The only thing I don't like is when those people give a 5 for effort because they didn't like the song - but I take the good with the bad. Feedback is just that - and I'm more concerned with whether they liked a vid than whether they thought the editing was perfect (or the lack of effects disastrous, or the capture quality a few bits of fuzz away from a nine, etc). I think people get so caught up in the scores that they forget to give *feedback* - what did the video do for you, what did you think of the video - not just the parts you're grading.

A newbie reviewer is 95% more likely to say how a video impacted him, while the useful reviewers tend to forget that because they're too busy taking apart the scores. These days I opt for the newbies - they give the feedback I want (like/hate/no reaction - plot was hard to follow/lovely storytelling - speed was hard to follow/a little boring) - I learn a lot from those 2 liner reviews, enough to keep me from going into the Op exchange unless it's a free review offer, or a creator I know gives greatly detailed ops (some of them rarely give reviews, so I have to take advantage of them on principle).

I'd just rather have a short review telling me if a person liked the vid (and if s/he didn't, then what about it didn't work) than a review given by a bored person that only talks about scores (with the only personal feedback being "I don't like the song so the reviewable is low"). That's just me.

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 1:09 am

mexicanjunior wrote:
bum wrote:i CANT care about scores because hardly anyone ever reviews, which is a shame because i worked real hard on them.
You know, other people work really hard on their vids also but it seems you have given...

average given 0
ops for anyone else? It's hard to feel sympathy for you when you haven't even bothered to give 1 opinion.

*gunshot* KA POW...

I need to opinionate more [headbutts wall out of laziness]

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 1:49 am

Arigatomyna wrote:After a certain point, I think some people stop taking 'editing' or 'amv-creating' to be a task where constant improvement is the main goal and start seeing it as a fun bit of fanwork - making something for an anime you like and getting pleasure out of sharing that with others who like it as well. In that case, any positive review is a good one.

I'll be honest about it - when I first started I was dying for some detailed reviews because I learned fast that I was simply *bad* at editing and I wanted the amvs I made to look better (for myself as well as my viewers). Back then I was half afraid to post in the forum, let alone try an op exchange and risk getting flamed to death my first time out. By the time I started doing exchanges I was already at the 'not *too* bad level.' But after a while I reached a point where I didn't care about improving - I got to the point where my vids were good enough to satisfy me and any improvement is an afterthought. That's when I stopped doing opinion exchanges - I didn't need (want, burn for) the detailed reviews.

Now I feel like a bad person.

See, the main reason I like getting opinions is not because I can use the advice to improve for the future, but because I like getting high scores and want people to notice my videos. It's nice to be able to go to my profile page and see all those average scores received in the yellow zone, and to know that my latest video could be in the Top 10% with just one more op.

It might sound horribly arrogant, but that's how I feel.

Does anyone else feel that way too?

I mean, I find making AMVs to be quite a fun experience... but once they're actually <i>made,</i> there's not much else you can do besides spread them around and see what people think of them.

Kaji01 · Post by **Kaji01** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 2:27 am

Eh, there's nothing wrong with wanting your videos to do well, in my opinion. Nothing says that there's a right or wrong reason or reasoning behind making videos per se. There's the group concensus about things, but it's up to you how to act or view things in relation to it. I mean heck, it's most definitely thrilling when you're putting out work that can compete with the best in your field, and when you get up into there every step counts. There's no need to feel ashamed because you want to do well, period. It all depends on what you want out of it and what you want to achieve.

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 3:00 am

mexicanjunior wrote:
bum wrote:i CANT care about scores because hardly anyone ever reviews, which is a shame because i worked real hard on them.
You know, other people work really hard on their vids also but it seems you have given...

average given 0
ops for anyone else? It's hard to feel sympathy for you when you haven't even bothered to give 1 opinion.

Yes, but you have a bit of a bias on your side. Usefullness of doooom!!
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