Is re-viewability *really* all that important?

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Post by trythil » Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:10 pm

jrodegheri wrote:It depends on what you make of this word - re-viewability.

I don't mind watching a good sad film again. And as I said before, I would even like it if there were more "subjective" topics like this to be reckoned.

But maybe this topic could be taken away and replaced by another better word, like "WATCHABILITY", or "ENJOYABILITY", or "RECOMMENDABILITY" (i.e. with what emphasis you'd recommend this AMV to somebody) etc
None of those new words help to clarify this, though.

- Watchability: What is watchable, and in what context? The editing methods used factor largely into this. As a trivial example: I do not find VicBond007's "Charcoal Sketched Dreams" tolerable on a 60" projection in a dark room -- my eyes simply cannot tolerate the epileptic flashing sequence in the middle of the video. It's fine on a laptop LCD in a brightly lit room, though.

There's TONS of other things to consider. A few: Do you find AMVs that make extensive use of grayscale to be watchable, or do you fall asleep? Do you enjoy fast cuts or slow cuts? Does the cutting seem to follow the pace of the audio? Do you think the creator intended the cuts to follow the pace of the audio? Does the audio quality factor into the watchability of the video? How about the audio content?

Many of these questions have technical and artistic components to them -- you can't separate them so rigidly. The question relating to grayscale footage is a pretty good example.

- Enjoyability: What do you enjoy? I thought Pi was a pretty good movie, but many other people I've talked to hated it. Many open questions here.

- Recommendability: Who will you recommend this video to? Why? I fail to see how you could summarize "recommendability" in a single number. Again, many unanswered questions.

As you've stated, it depends on what you make of the word. That's the problem -- I don't think it's possible to sharpen up the definition of "reviewability", as there's just too much that can differ from person to person.

I think that, with the introduction of the Star Scale, that "reviewability" is a redundant piece of data and should be stricken from the database. Both have become a measure of a video's popularity amongst the .org population, but the former is updated much more often than the latter, and there's a much more useful view on the former dataset anyway.

I also think the more subjective ratings such as action, originality, effects, reviewability, etc. are loads of crap. (At least with Capture and Audio, there is some semblance of order -- for example I find it hard to imagine somebody finding a 29x14 Cinepak-encoded clip stretched to full-screen on a 1400x1050 viewport to look better than a DVD stretched in the same way, or someone finding a 8 KHz 8 bit sample of "Let it Be" to sound better than a copy of the same song ripped from CD.)

Of course, these are just my opinions, which aren't the subject at hand.

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Post by Tash » Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:49 pm

I'm fine with re-view being scored by how many times you will watch it, but I don't like how big an impact it has on your average score.
So someone said overall and re-view take 66% of score?
Then re-view is 33%...thats a bit high, and like other people said...long amvs and slow/drama peices suffer greatly :(

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Post by dokool » Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:38 pm

I look at it this way:

I have friends who have told me that Requiem for a Dream is the greatest movie they've ever seen, but they <i>never</i> want to watch it again.

At the same time, those friends could watch Equilibrium or Blade 2 or the Matrix over and over and over again (these are examples taken not because of the genre, but because they're what people most frequently borrow from me).

I think that's what the Reviewability is there for. My main AMV folder has 200 files in it, and it would be impossible to watch all the ones that i've given (or would have given) 9s and 10s every day. But there are still a few (like VicBond's Make it Better) that I'll watch once or twice a day, and a few that are absolutely incredible (like NightOwl's Playground Love) that I'll open the file, skip to my favorite sequence, watch it, and open a new file.

So, the whole concept of Reviewability is in the eye of the reviewer, but I do think it's a solid enough concept to stay in the Opinion page.

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Post by Klicks » Sun Jan 11, 2004 2:38 am

The name of the gaming mag escapes me, but they have a "Fun Factor" scale to go along with their games. To me, that is what the Re-Viewability ends up being when I review a vid. Sure, the weighting of it is a bit of an issue, but when I saw Tainted Donuts or Odorikuruu or Spectacular or some of Kevin Caldwell's stuff, I couldn't help but watch it over and over again. There was this atmosphere, this enegery to the video, and it usually wound up stuck in my head for the rest of the day. That's *usually* where my Re-viewable scores come from.

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Quality and re-watchability

Post by paulrowe » Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:06 am

I can think of two videos off the top of my head that I liked (and, in one case, introduced to all my friends), but would not re-view them for my own entertainment.

The first video to come to mind was mexicanjunior's video, <A HREF="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... l-ology</A>. It is a good watch the first time, but the song (particularly because of it's previous over-use) gets on the nerves REALLY quickly.

The second video to come to mind was DokiDoki's video, <A HREF="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 4">KDMD</A>. Again, a good watch the first time for the joke, but the music (or at least that segment) has been over-used so many times that I can no longer particularly appreciate it without the rest of the symphony and the incredible soprano and tenor parts that go with it.

Thus, in my opinion, it is possible (and I have shown evidence) to have a video that is a really good watch, if only once. The ones that are re-watchable in my opinion are the ones that either have an incredible emotional impact or have an incredible amount of background to them.

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Is re-watchability all that important?

Post by paulrowe » Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:14 am

Going back to the original question, I <B>do</B> feel that re-watchability is important. The videos that I keep on my computer are the videos that I watch again and again. They are also the videos that I like the most and the creators will often be remembered as well.

In fact, re-watchability was so important to me that I put most of the effort into my own AMV to make it re-watchable. Fortunately, it appears to have done that. In fact (and I'm not trying to toot my own horn), I tend to re-watch it myself sometimes, partly because I just like the music and like it more when I see the video with it. I'm proud of my video, whether it gets high ratings or not.

In my opinion, re-watchability is about the most important thing when it comes to an AMV. If it doesn't stay on my computer, it usually means that I didn't like the video.

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Post by rubyeye » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:28 pm

Reviewability is very important. For me, it is THE most important attribute when reviewing (or downloading) a video. Just like with Anime, or any movie/tv show for that matter, there has to be something "special" that compells you to watch it over and over - not back to back but simply to always revisit every so often because you're in the mood for it.

It's a quality that comes into play especially during Contest *Award* Time!

Why do we rate anything by scale? As a comparative hierarchy reflecting personal tastes? More or less. I just think if you can stand to watch something over and over and over again, it has merit.

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Post by Pie Row Maniac » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:53 pm

Just thought I'd go ahead and say this: Reviewability is based on lots of different factors. How often you've seen a certain kind of video (e.g. A new person seeing a Linkinball Z vid would think it's cool, while someone who's seen dozens of them would delete it without hesitation), the video quality (the editing may be great, but if you can't tell what's going on half the time it might not even be worth it), the editing quality (important one in my opinion), song choice (also important, for me anyways), and so on.

Like others who have already said so, I think reviewability is a very big key factor to a video (granted it's usually more important with comedy, action, dance or fun videos). If a video is going to drive somebody to want to see it time and time again in the future, then I'd say you're doing a good job. :P
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Post by CaTaClYsM » Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:28 pm

Reviewability changes over time. You see the video once or twice and think you can watch it forever and a day, opinion the video, and then watch it one more time and never watch it again. I think alot of vids are opinioned incorrectly in the reviewability area simply because in order to know it's reviewability factor, you need to watch it over and over and over again to get a good grasp of how much you can stand it.
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Post by Beowulf » Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:51 pm

Why can't we just make overall worth 50% and everything else 50%?

That would be much more logical in my opinion. Some of my favorite videos, I don't watch too often:

Melatonin
Life On Mars
Imagine
Selfless
Alternate Reality

among others. Giving "I want to listen to this song a lot" 33% of the credit in the worth of a video has, and always will be, utterly idiotic.

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