Evangelion interpretation
- ErMaC
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WOW ... i got ermac to post on my thread ... lol ... 
Yeah i think that asuka felt sick because of his little thing that he did in front of her ... if i was her i wouldnt feel too well either ... lol

Declan_Vee wrote:I was under the impression that Asuka felt sick because Shinji just jerked-off then and there. There isn't all that much to suggest that this is what happens, but it's no less likely than any of the other suggestions.
Yeah i think that asuka felt sick because of his little thing that he did in front of her ... if i was her i wouldnt feel too well either ... lol
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Amen! I think there are a billion of these threads and all saming relatively the same thing. And as you said, all of it is in the films and if you're not perceptive, you can figure it out with websites with direct things from the Red Cross Book and so on.ErMaC wrote:Stop with the over-quoting of posts please.
I guess I kinda missed this thread since I don't like visiting this forum, but I'll just say I've done much research on Eva, its religious backgrounds, and the psychological theory it draws from (Freud and Jung), and I understand everything that goes on in Eva. I sat down at a table at like midnight with Nic Neidenbach and explained the entire thing to him. The vast majority is pretty obvious if you do some digging, and there are only a few things that are open to interpretation.
On that note, I would recommend, however, that people go back and look at the dozens of threads that have already discussed Evangelion, because everything that can be said has been said, in my opinion.
Actually not to be an ass, but this has been discussed in one of those threads tooErMaC wrote:Oh except this one this I haven't shared with anybody yet, it's about the last line in EoE. The "Kimichiwarui" line which has been debated a whole lot. The Revival of Evangelion boxset discs come with scripts for every episode and the movies, and so I went through the script to take a look at the last line out of curiosity. The direction for the line is as follows:Which basically means "as above, in a cold-hearted voice:" and then kimochiwarui. The debate has been what the meaning of that line actually is. Does Asuka feel sick? Thus the "I feel sick" translation. Is she saying Shinji is sick? Thus the "Disgusting" or "Despicable" translation. The direction for reading the line makes it pretty clear, in my opinion, that it is the latter. (Tsumetai literally means "cool" or "cold" however in the context of voice, it means "cold-hearted" since that is also a literal translation of tsumetai).kore ijyou naku, tsumetai koe de:
kimochiwarui
Anyways, if anyone wants to discuss that feel free, but I don't think there's anything else new to talk about so I petition that this thread be locked unless people really really feel like repeating themselves.

1) She feels sick because she is with Shinji.
2) She feels sick physically since well...she did just get her ass kicked.
3) The line is the creator/director Hideak Anno speaking to the audience about his feelings about the movie.
1 + 2 are self-explanatory, but 3 intrugues me...especially if you do a little research. Basically I've heard that the End of Evangelion was only made because Anno received numerous threats (death threats even...if you look, they're displayed in the movie even) as well as financial backing to create a movie to help explain the strange events in Episodes 25 and 26.
It's quite obvious that the fans were disappointed with the ending and lack of plot/conclusion, but at the same time, if you think about it, the ending of the series *did* end the series and the most important parts were covered (i.e. the characters...the story is secondary). By the same token, that pressure led Anno to make the movie which was heavily plot based...this was done (somewhat) against his will and in turn, he made the movie a little...fucked up. The imagery in it is disturbing at times and it's debatable if he did that on purpose.
In any case, the final line is rumored to be him talking to the audience about how he feels sick in that he had to make this movie to appease the fans and that the fans rejected his true ending and sent death threats.
Now which theory do I agree with? *shrug* They all see to have their merits and at the same time, does it really matter? As I said earlier, these sort of things don't matter since the story is still about people and self-worth.
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Except that scene was very necessary, no matter how disgusting it was. In fact, it was meant to be disgusting since it illustrated that Shinji could sink no further (he just killed his best friend and only person who understand him remember?). He even explicitely says "I am the lowest of the low." This was necessary given the context of the story and his character.Jonathan02us wrote:WOW ... i got ermac to post on my thread ... lol ...
Declan_Vee wrote:I was under the impression that Asuka felt sick because Shinji just jerked-off then and there. There isn't all that much to suggest that this is what happens, but it's no less likely than any of the other suggestions.
Yeah i think that asuka felt sick because of his little thing that he did in front of her ... if i was her i wouldnt feel too well either ... lol
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I totally agreed that this was a vital part to the ending ... it showed that many things about shinji and the way he is inside ... so even though the ending was a bit disturbing to some people i cound have cared less because it was fairly important to the ending of the movie.dwchang wrote:Except that scene was very necessary, no matter how disgusting it was. In fact, it was meant to be disgusting since it illustrated that Shinji could sink no further (he just killed his best friend and only person who understand him remember?). He even explicitely says "I am the lowest of the low." This was necessary given the context of the story and his character.Jonathan02us wrote:WOW ... i got ermac to post on my thread ... lol ...
Declan_Vee wrote:I was under the impression that Asuka felt sick because Shinji just jerked-off then and there. There isn't all that much to suggest that this is what happens, but it's no less likely than any of the other suggestions.
Yeah i think that asuka felt sick because of his little thing that he did in front of her ... if i was her i wouldnt feel too well either ... lol
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I understand that Eva threads are way over done, but new people are seeing (and loving) this series every year. They could necropost, but then they probably wouldnt get the active conversation a new thread would get. Jon probably made this thread to talk about Eva as well as hear analysis. Most people will agree with your annoyance, but that line came off as a little pretentious to me (no offense).ErMaC wrote:I petition that this thread be locked unless people really really feel like repeating themselves.
Wow. Excellent point. Especially if you research Anno's life a little bit. This series is (in his mind) the defining work of his life that he will be remembered for. That, and the additional fact that writing this turned his life around (from the verge of suicide), makes you realize just how much this meant to him. I never even realized that the movie was pushed by outside pressure (although considering the evidence you brought up, in its obvious nature, I should have). Now that I realize this, the 3rd possibility you discussed becomes an intriguing and highly viable possibility. Good Thinking.dwchang wrote:1) She feels sick because she is with Shinji.
2) She feels sick physically since well...she did just get her ass kicked.
3) The line is the creator/director Hideak Anno speaking to the audience about his feelings about the movie.
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wow .. i never really though about the makers of this anime like that.... i didnt kno that he was like that ... im sure it meant a lot to him and that this would be the series that would sort of define him and put him into the history books of anime ... im gald he made this series ... 8)kearlywi wrote:I understand that Eva threads are way over done, but new people are seeing (and loving) this series every year. They could necropost, but then they probably wouldnt get the active conversation a new thread would get. Jon probably made this thread to talk about Eva as well as hear analysis. Most people will agree with your annoyance, but that line came off as a little pretentious to me (no offense).ErMaC wrote:I petition that this thread be locked unless people really really feel like repeating themselves.
Wow. Excellent point. Especially if you research Anno's life a little bit. This series is (in his mind) the defining work of his life that he will be remembered for. That, and the additional fact that writing this turned his life around (from the verge of suicide), makes you realize just how much this meant to him. I never even realized that the movie was pushed by outside pressure (although considering the evidence you brought up, in its obvious nature, I should have). Now that I realize this, the 3rd possibility you discussed becomes an intriguing and highly viable possibility. Good Thinking.dwchang wrote:1) She feels sick because she is with Shinji.
2) She feels sick physically since well...she did just get her ass kicked.
3) The line is the creator/director Hideak Anno speaking to the audience about his feelings about the movie.
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Yeah well again, watch the movie and pause through all those signs. If you know Japanese, you can see that they're death threats like "ANNO I WILL KILL YOU!" and so on. I believe someone posted a site that had all of them up and translated. Some of the letters are quite long and disturbing.kearlywi wrote:Wow. Excellent point. Especially if you research Anno's life a little bit. This series is (in his mind) the defining work of his life that he will be remembered for. That, and the additional fact that writing this turned his life around (from the verge of suicide), makes you realize just how much this meant to him. I never even realized that the movie was pushed by outside pressure (although considering the evidence you brought up, in its obvious nature, I should have). Now that I realize this, the 3rd possibility you discussed becomes an intriguing and highly viable possibility. Good Thinking.
And yeah, it's not a secret that he didn't want to make the movie and was very disappointed in the fans negative reaction to the final two episodes (esp. since they have quite a bit of substance).
It's interesting to think about, but at best just a theory. We'll never know what he exactly intended until he says something.
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Ahhh. Good ol' Eva, seeing this tread brings back the memories OF PAIN AND SUFFERING WHICH I HAD TO ENDURE IN THE AFTERMATH OF WATCHING THE ENDING, SPENDING LONG SLEEPLESS NIGHTS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS. The meaning may have seemed obvious to you guys, but Eva was the first anime i had ever watched, well Eva and Ah! My Goddess (i watched them at the same time), and it confused the hell out of me, it obviously wasnt a good starter, but i had heard soo much good stuff about it, and thats really what gotme to watch any anime at all. All the stuff that has been said here has really been interesting, and its given me a whole new view on the series. I only have one question. Why did he strangle Asuka at the end? Didn't the giant "Rei of Doom" say he could have whatever he wanted, and so if he wanted Asuka, why throw away the one thing he had wanted most?
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But that's just it! He didn't want Asuka (at least not the whole alternate reality dream world version). He wanted to live as an individual, with an AT-Field, outside of Instrumentality. Asuka just happened to choose the same fate.
Strangling Asuka was just a way for him to confirm he was in the real world, in which he and others can experience pain. There's also the satisfaction of giving that Kraut what she deserved.
Let's face it, Shinji has the ability to make something decent out of himself, but lacks the desire to interact and a decent male role-model to get up to speed. Kaji would have been perfect for the job of teaching Shinji how to be a man, but working for a secret organization full of scum and assasinations kind of made that an impossibility.
Strangling Asuka was just a way for him to confirm he was in the real world, in which he and others can experience pain. There's also the satisfaction of giving that Kraut what she deserved.
Let's face it, Shinji has the ability to make something decent out of himself, but lacks the desire to interact and a decent male role-model to get up to speed. Kaji would have been perfect for the job of teaching Shinji how to be a man, but working for a secret organization full of scum and assasinations kind of made that an impossibility.
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