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Post by Jonathan02us » Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:04 pm

Lyrs wrote:
AtomicWeezleman wrote:hmmmm..........what about it............. ( i have visions of unclemilo, lyrs, dwchang and others going over the same arguments again and again................ arghhhh!!!!!)
What? I've actually argued about EVA? ~.^ I just started posting a bit more here. Oh as for repetitive arguements, they rock and sucka mean dick.


As for the topic,
Evangelion sucks. There that's all I'm going to say. It's about hte most repetitive thing anybody can say.
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Post by Toecutter » Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:04 pm

I've read something saying that First Impact was what wiped out the Dinosaurs. Since by "Impact" they seem to mean a great catastophic event that involved unimanginable loss of life.
Odd thing that doesn't make any sense, though: If LCL is the "primordial soup" that all lifeforms on this planet are based off of, would First Impact have to be the meteorite strike that seperated 1/4 of the Earth, which later formed the moon? If you remember in the show, they mention First Impact IS the meteorite strike that seperated the mass which formed the moon from the Earth.

Also, if you think about the Egg of Lillith for a second, it was made of an incredibly strong mineral, which was rare for the Earth. So, at one point in time, Lillith had to "crash land" on the Earth, and that's what supposedly started life. Unlike an exact religious context, I'm betting Adam was formed of Lillith, because she was bored. The other Angels were probably formed the same way.

As for how the 18th Angel (mankind) was formed, I have a slightly different view from the norm. Quite a few people believe mankind was formed by all the little components of the Angel Humanis splitting apart, taking their own AT Fields, and doing whatever the hell they want. However, that seperation caused that feeling of emptiness in all of us.

Instead, here's my theory: if Lillth is responsible for all life on the Earth, including plants, bacteria, etc, then all the LCL that makes up all lifeforms on Earth has to be subdivided due to the complexity of the lifeforms in question. For example, humans are far more complex than insects, requiring far more LCL to make our physical forms. Therefore, there are far less of us compared to the number of insects on the Earth. Same thing applies to the Angels. Notice how only one attacks at a time, and from Episode 10, we see an Angel hatching?

Perhaps the 3 billion human lives lost due to Second Impact (and all the civil wars afterwards) were a necessary sacrifice to transfer all that LCL for use to form the Angels. Remember how it became far more difficult for parents to have children after Second Impact? Misato mentioned something about the Room of Gauf, where all the souls for newborn children were harvested for their intended purpose. Perhaps the reason the Room of Gauf was being "scavenged" as she put it, was due to the fact most of the souls of the dead were now making up the Angels.

Basically, by initiating Second Impact, Seele didn't prevent Adam AND the Angels attacking at once. Instead, they traded a future assault from Adam for 15 engagements with Angels of varying offensive and defensive strengths.

So what does this mean for mankind's ultimate form, according to Seele? In reality, this "ultimate form" is just the intial phase of life's formation on the Earth. They didn't achieve any ultimate form at all, but just started the loop again, to reach the same conclusion of mankind's evolutionary dead end some billions of years later (if mankind doesn't escape from their dream world, and their will to live forces their ego-barriers to assemble the LCL back into homo-sapien sapiens. In conclusion, the 18th Angel Humanis never existed as Seele thought it did. Instead, like the Angel that invaded the Magi, we exist as a collective of individuals, all with our own little part to play in the course of history.

Of course, I'm approaching this from an evolutionary perspective, and not a religious one (can't stand frosted flakes, or any form of their ideology).
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Post by HeartbreakerByZep » Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:08 pm

EVA = Reppetative?

Aparently some people are stuck on the shows popularity. Free your mind, you aren't bowned by the chains of idiocy. (Well....)

Listen to current pop radio for about 1/2 hour, and if you can tell me Evangelion is more reppetative than that, you are too far gone to comprehend the english language.
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Post by dwchang » Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:22 pm

UncleMilo wrote:Even without EoE, we have the sequence where Gendo explains the concept of the "Man-Created Third Impact"... where all mankind would be a giant blob of LCL fluid... and Gendo says it is the only way for mankind to exist, but the narrative text after this questions Gendo's plan.

Gendo invisions the next step in evolution of man as this one single mass mind... but Shinji defies this notion.

He is "The Beast that shouted 'I'"... the very title of the episode...
In fact, they explicitely say that Third Impact has occurred at the beginning :). They also show images of Ritsuko and Misato's clothes in LCL implying what happened.
UncleMilo wrote:this is the very note that Shinji comes around... he accepts life and the power of his own individuality... he comes to realize that there are no "rules" to life and that he can find his own value in himself without needing the approval of others... he finds a confidence in himself and rejects instrumentality.

This is why the TV series is so uplifting and empowering.
Yeah I can't believe I forgot that portion..I mean I implied, but didn't say it explicitely. The show is simply about a boy finding his own self-worth. To not be defined by his job (a pilot) or what others think, but by his own worth. At the same time, this leads to the AT field and that he can interact with other humans even WITH an AT field (instrumentality = AT field gone...no physical form). Obviously the AT field isn't truly a physical barrier in real life, but all of us put up barriers and walls in our own lives like Shinji.

IMO the show can apply to just about anyone and that's why I love the show.
ToeCutter wrote:Unlike an exact religious context, I'm betting Adam was formed of Lillith, because she was bored. The other Angels were probably formed the same way.
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Instead, here's my theory: if Lillth is responsible for all life on the Earth, including plants, bacteria, etc, then all the LCL that makes up all lifeforms on Earth has to be subdivided due to the complexity of the lifeforms in question. For example, humans are far more complex than insects, requiring far more LCL to make our physical forms. Therefore, there are far less of us compared to the number of insects on the Earth. Same thing applies to the Angels. Notice how only one attacks at a time, and from Episode 10, we see an Angel hatching?
Actually you're correct on most accounts. I don't know why people would say Lilith *didn't* bear us or that Adam came from her. I think they even explicitely say that Lilith is the first "angel." Also based on mythology, I *think*, those little "eggs" on Lilith (before she grew legs...after the longinus spear was taken out) are what spawn demons.

One could easily correlate that mankind is more or less a "demon" in the conflict since we're fighting angels and well..the biggest part is that the Eva's designs are based on 4 barrens of hell (or so I'm told). Basically there are apparently demons with one eye (Eva-00), another with a horn (Eva-01), another with four eyes (Eva-02) and I forget what Eva-03 is.

Now what I don't agree with is the purpose of Second Impact. I think they explicitely say that 2nd Impact was a mistake when mankind tried to harness the power of Adam and that ultimately reduced him to an egg and all that energy that was released is what melted the polar ice caps. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty darn sure they say this. It also fits in within the context of the story of man defying God (by trying to harness Adam).

At the same time, you could somewhat say that they even did that on purpose to attract the angels (since we need to defeat them to start instrumentality and so on) and so on. But regardless, I'm pretty darn sure that's the reason 2nd Impact occurred and so on which is why I'm not sure about your theory about LCL and so on.
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Post by kearlywi » Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:06 pm

dwchang wrote:Nope.

I'm sick of typing this for the 9 millionth time.

And it's only argued again and again because someone continually posts about it. I still suggest they make a sticky of all the pertinent posts or something.
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Post by CaTaClYsM » Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:19 pm

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Post by Lyrs » Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:48 pm

Jonathan02us wrote: :shock: ... u dont like eva ... :shock:
I like your usage of sarcasm...so i will try to put my incoherent thoughts onto the Org History Files.

First off, NGE is a nice anime. No one can deny that the artwork was stunning and showed much work and dedication on the part of the NGE team.

Secondly, the story was well written and directed, all until the end, which if you care to know anything about, you should enter the Archives and explore the dead threads.

Third and last (for now), +1 post count.
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Post by Jonathan02us » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:04 am

Thanks u guys for posting ur interpretations on Neon Genesis Evagelion ... i found all of them very interesting ... i hope in the future we can have more discussions like this about other animes ... im still new to everything so i might bring up some old anime but ill look for other threads first ... imma get some new anime in a couple of weeks so im happy... 8)
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Post by derek_t » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:24 am

Here are the three I almost always hear people debate about, just in relation to the end movie (and I'm putting very basic explanations down).

1) Individuality is evil, we should all be together - The ending is showing that only selfish people (like Sinji) want to be apart.
2) Individualtiy is good, we should not be together - The ending is showing how evil togetherness can be. Sinji is good for wanting nothing to do with being all of one.
3) It be better if we could be together, but the meaning of humanity is to be apart - Nerv represent the wish that all become one and Sinji represents humanity. The wish to be together is noble but unrealistic.

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Post by Jonathan02us » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:37 pm

derek_t wrote:Here are the three I almost always hear people debate about, just in relation to the end movie (and I'm putting very basic explanations down).

1) Individuality is evil, we should all be together - The ending is showing that only selfish people (like Sinji) want to be apart.
2) Individualtiy is good, we should not be together - The ending is showing how evil togetherness can be. Sinji is good for wanting nothing to do with being all of one.
3) It be better if we could be together, but the meaning of humanity is to be apart - Nerv represent the wish that all become one and Sinji represents humanity. The wish to be together is noble but unrealistic.
Interesting ... :?
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