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Post by Onideus_Mad_Hatter » Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:58 am

Beowulf wrote: No, I don't think you've ever told someone directly that their videos suck, since you don't seem to have the balls to do that. You'd rather put their video in the "lower editing class" like you demonstrated in a post below.
Heh, looks like Beowulf is just itchin for the Mad Hatter to review one of his AMVs. I've got "Hail To The Theif" on download now, you best hope it's good. While I'm not so weak and simple that I've ever felt the need to just bleat out, "Jo0 is teh sucks!!1!!", I have been known to go pretty badass on a few people on occasion as far as indepth critiquing. I'll be more than honest with you, I'll beat you over your fat head with it while I'm at it. `, )
1. Random Cuts, where random video, even if it fits the theme is just slapped in with music, but there's no cohesion or symmetry with the body of the music (lyrics, beat, melody, etc).

2. Flash Bang, where flashes and scene skips are used to forcibly match the animation into the cohesion of the music. A good example is Euphoria.

3. Animated Music, where the animation itself blends into the music, sometimes so seamlessly it's hard to even recognize it's happening. A good example would be my AMV Twist Of. Most people don't even recognize that nearly every explosion, firing of a missile, ship movement, etc is all synchronized into the beat of the music.

I consider the 3rd editing class to be the best. When you can make an AMV that does that, it'll completely change your perspective on everything you've ever seen before. There aren't many examples and a lot of times they get overlooked by people who can't get past Flash Bang effects, but the ones that do exist...simply amazing."
I don't think I have to work too hard to justify this point. Most people seem to think your a condesending asshole.
And yet you left out the parts where I go on to praise OTHER PEOPLE who achieve such advanced editing techniques. What's the matter, you upset cause I think you're a lower class editor? Awww, dats too bad, and with how much you seem to despise me, isn't it interesting how it upsets you so much? ^_^
You've made 10 videos? Let me see them! Please!
What are you, a newbie around here?
Because Ive seen the two you have listed and they are quite horrid.
And wouldn't it be grand if just saying that would bring down your magical fairy god mother to wave her lil wand and make it magically come true? As far as pure editing is concerned, neither one of my two videos that you've supposedly seen can really be described as anything short of near perfection in editing. Subjectively they may not float your boat, maybe you don't like an all action AMV, or an uber sickeningly sweet depressing one, but then that's not really something you can critique on.
If you want to messure dicks, please feel free to download my videos and tell me about them, because I think yours are peices of derivitive shit.
Again, easy for you to say, but you can't actually prove it. I mean, seriously, from a pure technical standpoint what is wrong with the editing in either one of the videos? ...waiting...come on now, don't keep us in suspense.
Jesus you can't even crack a positive review average when this entire website is inflated 3 points.
Yes well as easy as it would be to get Phade to take off, oh say this lil gem:

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... d_id=24658

(the one with all 1's)

Yeah, it pretty much just justifies my "greatness" when you get right down to it.
Maybe the 7 people who you pissed off enough to review your atrocities didn't really appreciate your art.
Or maybe one or two of them were just lil ass itches like you who got bitter and jealous cause you're an inferior artist. ...just a thought, Cupcake. *shrugs*
I guess people are just failing to see your brilliance.
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... d_id=24658

8 10 10 8 10 9 10 8 9

Hrmmm...I seem to be doing pretty good...other than the one disgruntled lil screwball who got smacked real hard in the head with a bit of harsh reality. `, )
Maybe the whoppng 650 hits on your entire catalogue could be an indication?
Yeah, cause both those videos have been up for more than a month. :roll:

Of course I KNOW where all your opinions and hits are coming from...of course anyone who has enough sense to run a search for Beowulf in the "Opinion Exchange" forums knows, now don't they? ^_^

Where as I on the other hand have only participated in, huh, 4 whole posts in that forum and, huh, every one of them was boastly demanding FREE opinions, too good to even bother exchanging opinions and having to watch other peoples dribble. Heh...and of course I've already managed to rack up 7 of em in under a month, all good except for, well one, and all the while still managing to be an uber arrogant asshole to all the "lessers" like you. ^_^

Ever tried putting in some thought into WHY I act like such an arrogant asshole? I mean I get mostly 9's and 10's on average (aside from one or two pathetics who give me all 1's just to spite me)...can you even BEGIN to imagine what I would get if I was actually NICE to people? *shudder*
Or maybe its your thriving website?
What's wrong with my websites? Fuck I wish the damn things would get LESS traffic. My Care Bear site for example is suckin up my bandwidth like there's no tomorrow.
But please before you respond to me, post your other videos. If their twice as good as the shit I saw, I might be able to watch them stoned for comedic value.
Uh huh, if you were half as stupid as you are, you'd be able to find them yourself without any trouble at all. And as much as I like catering to stupid people...yeah, not really. Yer just some cl00less noob job churning out crap AMV after crap AMV and after another 32% and about 15 minutes of typing, I'll MAKE YOU understand just how pathetic you really are. `, )

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Post by Farlo » Wed Nov 05, 2003 2:12 am

please shut the fuck up

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Post by Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Nov 05, 2003 2:29 am

Geeezzz guys, this thread started off as a dicussion on lip syncing and Special Effects.. Granded we all have our opinions and that's what makes it fun... but I think it's starting to turn too personal....

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Post by Onideus_Mad_Hatter » Wed Nov 05, 2003 2:32 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Geeezzz guys, this thread started off as a dicussion on lip syncing and Special Effects.. Granded we all have our opinions and that's what makes it fun... but I think it's starting to turn too personal....

Vlad
I tend to act like a mirror, I reflect the stance and emotions of those I reply to. It's just the way that I am. *shrugs*

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Post by Onideus_Mad_Hatter » Wed Nov 05, 2003 2:49 am

...oh jesus fuck...my, my head...throbing...

Holy cripe that AMV of Bs had more flash bang than Euphoria in it! o_O

I...I think I'm gonna lie down for a bit before I actually go into my review of it, damn thing nearly sent me into an epileptic siezure! Didn't actually have a SINGLE piece of animation that matched the beat of the music (not even that part at :50 where Asuka's EVA gets impaled, and come on, how hard could that have been to match the impalements to the beats? Pure laziness. Oh and here's another quick thought, instead of flashing with solid black or solid white screens, consider doing half transparent overlays, at least then it won't be QUITE so mind stabbing.

...*shakes head*...

I'm gonna watch a few eps of ROD TV and recover a bit, then I'll leave my actual opinion. If you want some insight into how it's gonna go though, think "Euphoria Rip Off Artist"...yeah...

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Post by Beowulf » Wed Nov 05, 2003 2:55 am

As far as pure editing is concerned, neither one of my two videos that you've supposedly seen can really be described as anything short of near perfection in editing
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Holy shit. You can't mean this seriously. Your like "that guy" who throws black oil on a 30ft canvas and calls it most modern pre existentialism. Image
Yer just some cl00less noob job churning out crap AMV after crap AMV and after another 32% and about 15 minutes of typing, I'll MAKE YOU understand just how pathetic you really are. `, )
This statement is hillarious just because I think you actually mean it. What blows my mind is that I'll bet your sitting there totaly perplexed as to why I have any quarell with you. Sure your ego could convince you that I'm jealous but think hard. Do you really believe I'm jealous of you? Really? Honestly? Maybe I'm insulting you because your an arrogent ass and your videos really do just suck, not because I'm jealous of your groundbreaking, artistic editing acomplishments. Image

If you want to continue this pissing contest, I'll be happy to do that too, even though it would be ridiculous at this point. So far the only thing your brought to the argument that proves your mastery of editing is your own personal thoughts and 7 opinions. All ego aside, if thats all you have (and it is) your going to lose.

Sorry for derailing this thread everyone.

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Post by dokool » Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:01 am

Onideus_Mad_Hatter wrote: I'm gonna watch a few eps of ROD TV and recover a bit, then I'll leave my actual opinion. If you want some insight into how it's gonna go though, think "Euphoria Rip Off Artist"...yeah...
Although Beowulf can defend his own vid just fine, I *have* to post in defense of that vid, which is one of my favorites.

He is certainly *not* a Euphoria Rip Off Artist. While Euphoria uses incredibly complicated masks and effects (and a program that seems geared to do them), I don't see a single thing in Hail to the Thief that can't be done in Premiere.

You may complain about things syncing to the beat, but Beowulf's edits don't just sink, they fucking flow. Any editor can listen to the drum track and make his cuts exactly like so, but few can weave their way around the beat like that.

After seeing that HTTF, it gave me hope that I could do something as kickass.

-DOKool

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Post by Flint the Dwarf » Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:12 am

Hatter... a few things remain to be proven here.

I've heard very few people that have been either influenced or impressed by your videos. Many people I know here have checked out your vids and seen nothing impressive in them. It's funny that you can totally word-fuck Hail to the Thief but you can't produce something to compete with it.

Now I'm sure that's because you're the only person on this site whose opinion matters and we are all too inferior to see the real genius in your videos, right sweetie?

HAR HAR I SAID SWEETIE LOL

You need a reality check.
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Post by Onideus_Mad_Hatter » Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:28 am

dokool wrote: Although Beowulf can defend his own vid just fine,
Oh and he's doing a bang up job of it so far. Let's see, he can't actually name one specific thing wrong with any of my AMVs and yet I've already managed to go off on a whole fucking paragraph of what's wrong with his. Hrmmm...
I *have* to post in defense of that vid, which is one of my favorites.
Oh I've no doubt, flash bang stupidity is quite the popular editing trend these days...specially amongst the LinkinballZ fans. ^_^
He is certainly *not* a Euphoria Rip Off Artist.
Oh really?
While Euphoria uses incredibly complicated masks and effects (and a program that seems geared to do them), I don't see a single thing in Hail to the Thief that can't be done in Premiere.
Funny, I never saw anything in Euphoria that couldn't be done in just Premiere. But uh, regarding what you said...well you do realize you actually just insulted his video. I mean I said it was a rip off, but I never said it was a GOOD rip off. Maybe you're right though, maybe if he HAD used something other than just Premiere he could have made it better...nah, I'm doubtin it. Fuck the d00d sucks so bad he couldn't even match a few impalments to the beat.
You may complain about things syncing to the beat, but Beowulf's edits don't just sink, they fucking flow.
No, they really don't. It's like Beowulf just slapped together yer average hum drum boring as fuck NGE AMV, realized it was just 8 shades of crap and then was like, "Hrmm...what can I possibly do to make this video NOT suck ass..." And then he's all like, "Oh I know! I'll just make use of this Video 2 track, throw in all sorts of split second bitmaps of solid white and black and OOOooo, isn't that pretty! Oh and then I'll randomly make some parts of it in black and white and ass rape that 'aged film' filter, oh yeah, now I can pretend it's 'art'!"

o_O

Oh yeah, stellar work there. It "flows"...like a turd that won't flush.
Any editor can listen to the drum track and make his cuts exactly like so, but few can weave their way around the beat like that.
Um...he didn't CUT anything, he just plastered solid white and black images into the video 2 track. Holy sheeit man, how can you be so clueless as to not see it? Any REAL editor would just laugh if he saw it. And coincidently, if you watch my AMV "Twist Of", you'll not that I don't cut scenes to the beats, I MATCH THE FUCKING ANIMATION. As hard as that lil concept is for all you uber l33t LinkinballZ freaks to grasp. Watch close though, every missile explosion, every impact, every engine thrust, they ALL align seamlessly into the beat.
After seeing that HTTF, it gave me hope that I could do something as kickass.

-DOKool
I can e-mail ya on over a couple solid colored bitmaps if you want, Sunshine. Then you can play around all you like in that "Video 2" track like Beowulf...*snicker*...

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Post by Beowulf » Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:41 am

I'll bet this is so frustrating for you.

The reason I'm not commenting on your video is because you wouldn't hear a word I have to say. Unlike you, I don't like verbally masterbating to hear myself talk. If your not going to hear, I'm not going to waste an hour of time analyzing your atrocity.
I MATCH THE FUCKING ANIMATION. As hard as that lil concept is for all you uber l33t LinkinballZ freaks to grasp. Watch close though, every missile explosion, every impact, every engine thrust, they ALL align seamlessly into the beat.
... at the expense of pacing, good scene selection, flow, continuity, ect. Oh and I'll bet re-using the same 4 scenes 5 times in a video is the cutting edge of editing techniques.

I'm stoping. Now that you've shown that you seem to revel in being an asshole to everyone, theres really not much to talk about.

Wait about 2 years, and come back and read this post. See what you think of your videos then.

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