About Black Lines Or Left And Right Side Of DVD Video?

Hitori · Post by **Hitori** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:10 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Wow. All this complicated discussion when all you had to say was: Go into whatever program you use to process or edit video and look for a crop option

So true!!

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:32 am

thing is he's asking for dvd quality off of inuyasha fansubs? Isn't that like asking someone to make a bomb shelter out of stirafoam? (sp?)

SS5_Majin_Bebi · Post by **SS5_Majin_Bebi** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:41 am

Jebadia wrote:thing is he's asking for dvd quality off of inuyasha fansubs? Isn't that like asking someone to make a bomb shelter out of stirafoam? (sp?)

Uh, where is he asking for DVD qual off of fansubs?

Oh, and its actually been proven you can make a pretty sturdy bomb shelter out of styrofoam.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:28 pm

Inuyasha666 wrote:Isn't there an easy way for an idiot like me to just make a high quality video without having to use AVIsynth or whatever, I don't even know what that is, and virtual dub. Why can't u just make the video in like Premiere and that it. I've downloaded tons of videos that are like DVD quality, and any I make just looks like shit when I compress it with DivX 5.1. I know XviD is probably better, but I don't know where to get it.

Avisynth is what you use when you rip your footage from the dvd. If you don't know what it is, then you must be getting your footage another way. What are you using? What are you using to make your videos? You're producing them as divx5 - how?

Xvid is just one of the many codecs you can save your video as if you use VirtualDub. VirtualDub is the main compressor (and editor - lots of filters to clean up your footage so you can get and *keep* it at that pretty dvd quality you're looking for now). Most people use Vdub - you can find a link to it in the guides (or you can do a google search if you can't skim through the guides to find it).

You want to make a vid in Premiere that comes out at good quality, right? I take it you know how to use the program - if you already have your source footage, then use Premiere to save the final video as huffyuv (that's a codec - you can download it when you get Vdub in that section of the guides - or you can do a google search if you don't want to look through the guides to find it). Look at it this way - the best format to save your video in is huffyuv. The best format to save your clips in is huffyuv. Even if you don't know what huffyuv is, you can still do a google search to find it - the same with 'xvid' or 'virtualdub'. You see people throwing out names of things you're unfamiliar with? Just do a search and find out what it is.

Once you save your Premiere project as huffyuv, open it in VirtualDub and choose xvid as your compression codec. There are options all over Vdub - get it and play with them. You want to crop something to cut off the edges? Use the 'filter' options and 'crop' - make sure you keep the amount cropped in multiples of 8 and you're fine.

Fixing up footage after you make the video is one thing - yes, you can do that easily if you're using Premiere, just save it to huffyuv and use Vdub to compress it. The real problem comes when you *get* that footage.

If you want dvd quality, you'll need to get the footage from your dvds. That's where avisynth comes in. If you're not using it now, what are you using? If you're getting footage from dvds and it's not coming out as clean dvd footage, you're not doing it the right way. You *will* have to do some reading if you want perfect quality - there's no way around that. Either you read it from the guides, or you read it here - all you'll get is the same thing repeated to you.

Here's the best way to go through the guides if you just want the basics - skim. You won't learn anything but the steps - look for 'now do this' and highlight those instructions. Pass over the paragraph long explanations of lossy verses lossless codecs - look for things that give you specific orders (open this, download this, choose this, pick this, hit this). If you have to, print the guides out and use an actual highlighter like you would in school - highlight the steps. The reason you find the guides confusing is because they explain almost *everything* in detail. And if you have problems later you'll want to come back and read those explanations - if you don't want to follow a step, go back and read *why* they say to do that step. If you trust the people who wrote the guides, just follow the instructions - follow the steps. And you'll do fine.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 6:43 pm

Dannywilson wrote:They're called Overscan Lines, and are used so that the plastic or metal that edges around your TV screen doesn't cover up any of the picture. On how to get rid of them, edit your video like normal, then, when you export your video from Premiere (or your editing program of choice) using huffyuv, and subsequently open it in VirtualDub, click Video->Filters->Add->Brightness and Contrast(don't change the B/C settings leave them at default)->Ok. Then in the filters window, select the filter you just added, and a Button titled "Cropping" should ungray. Press it, and a new window should pop up. Use X1 and X2 in equal amounts(if you do 8 on X1, do 8 on X2) to increase the amount of cropping, being sure to use multiples of 8, as not to foul yourself up with codec's later. once you've gotten the cropping to your liking, click Ok->Ok, and compress your video and Audio like normal.

Hope this helps,
-Danny

Wouldn't it be better to crop your video in avisynth before editing so that if you use motion settings you don't have black bars in spots that you can't crop out later?

In Avisynth I usually just write:

Crop(6,0,-6,0)
LanczosResize(720,480)

And then create my MJPEGs to edit with.

Dannywilson · Post by **Dannywilson** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:09 pm

Corran Productions wrote:Wouldn't it be better to crop your video in avisynth before editing so that if you use motion settings you don't have black bars in spots that you can't crop out later?

In Avisynth I usually just write:

Crop(6,0,-6,0)
LanczosResize(720,480)

And then create my MJPEGs to edit with.

Yeah I can claim being stoned as hell off of percocet for those 3 long ass posts... I really wasn't thinking in the clearest of terms.

Inuyasha666 · Post by **Inuyasha666** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:12 pm

Avisynth is what you use when you rip your footage from the dvd. If you don't know what it is, then you must be getting your footage another way. What are you using? What are you using to make your videos? You're producing them as divx5 - how?

Xvid is just one of the many codecs you can save your video as if you use VirtualDub. VirtualDub is the main compressor (and editor - lots of filters to clean up your footage so you can get and *keep* it at that pretty dvd quality you're looking for now). Most people use Vdub - you can find a link to it in the guides (or you can do a google search if you can't skim through the guides to find it).

You want to make a vid in Premiere that comes out at good quality, right? I take it you know how to use the program - if you already have your source footage, then use Premiere to save the final video as huffyuv (that's a codec - you can download it when you get Vdub in that section of the guides - or you can do a google search if you don't want to look through the guides to find it). Look at it this way - the best format to save your video in is huffyuv. The best format to save your clips in is huffyuv. Even if you don't know what huffyuv is, you can still do a google search to find it - the same with 'xvid' or 'virtualdub'. You see people throwing out names of things you're unfamiliar with? Just do a search and find out what it is.

Once you save your Premiere project as huffyuv, open it in VirtualDub and choose xvid as your compression codec. There are options all over Vdub - get it and play with them. You want to crop something to cut off the edges? Use the 'filter' options and 'crop' - make sure you keep the amount cropped in multiples of 8 and you're fine.

Fixing up footage after you make the video is one thing - yes, you can do that easily if you're using Premiere, just save it to huffyuv and use Vdub to compress it. The real problem comes when you *get* that footage.

If you want dvd quality, you'll need to get the footage from your dvds. That's where avisynth comes in. If you're not using it now, what are you using? If you're getting footage from dvds and it's not coming out as clean dvd footage, you're not doing it the right way. You *will* have to do some reading if you want perfect quality - there's no way around that. Either you read it from the guides, or you read it here - all you'll get is the same thing repeated to you.

Here's the best way to go through the guides if you just want the basics - skim. You won't learn anything but the steps - look for 'now do this' and highlight those instructions. Pass over the paragraph long explanations of lossy verses lossless codecs - look for things that give you specific orders (open this, download this, choose this, pick this, hit this). If you have to, print the guides out and use an actual highlighter like you would in school - highlight the steps. The reason you find the guides confusing is because they explain almost *everything* in detail. And if you have problems later you'll want to come back and read those explanations - if you don't want to follow a step, go back and read *why* they say to do that step. If you trust the people who wrote the guides, just follow the instructions - follow the steps. And you'll do fine.[/quote]

Hmmmm, thanks for your help with the huffyuv codec thing, I read the guide and got that, but I I looked at all the stuff to do with avisynth and I didn't understand a single thing, it looked mostly like numbers and stuff, and I am horrible with math. I failed Algebra II, straight F's all year when I was in high school. I'm sorry, but I think I'm just going to skip the whole avisynth thing, BTW, I've just been using DVD2AVI to save the VOB files into AVI, cause I tried that whole thing saving it as a project and once I get to the point where u use avisynth, I'm completely lost, when I was reading through the guides, so I'm just not going to worry about it. Yes, I know how to use Adobe Premiere pretty well. I got version 6.5 on my computer. If I'm just going to convert my VOB files into AVI, should I use the huffyuv codec?,I've been using XviD, yes I finally figured out where to get it at. And after I make my video in Premiere I'll save it to AVI with the huffyuv codec, and I have Virtual Dub, version 1.4 I think, I don't know whether that's new or not, probably isn't though. And then I'll just crop out the black bars on the side of the video and save it with XviD. Is there anything else I should know? I'm sorry, but I really don't feel like taking the time to figure out Avisynth. I think as long as the quality of the video looks at least good at full screen, then I'm satisfied with the quality of my music videos.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 12:16 am

Yes, avisynth seems to be the breaking point for everyone I've tried to walk through this. It really isn't all that complicated - the guides just explain *everything* and that's what gets confusing.

What you use avisynth for is to save your project in dvd2avi (it saves it as a d2v file) and open that project in VirtualDub (you need an avisynth avs file so Vdub can read the project) so you can save your clips (and edit them if you want to use the filters/etc that Vdub has). All an avisynth script is, is a little notepad file that you save as avs instead of txt. If you download the program, actually writing that script (the notepad file) is really very simple. You do the exact same thing each time (unless you want to get fancy with it and do more than the basics). If you download the avisynth package, I can walk you through using it without frying your brain. ^_^; And really, don't feel bad - most people I talk to take one look at that portion of the guides and give up. It's simpler than it looks. And if you're using Premiere, you can edit directly with the avs file without having to save individual clips - which will spare you quality and make it easier if you have to remake the vid someday.

The reason I'm pushing avisynth is because you don't want to save your avis with dvd2avi - that really won't make very good footage (assuming it even works for you). You're likely to run into all sorts of problems doing it that way. But if you *have* to, yes, save the avi in huffyuv format - it's the best. You don't ever want to edit with xvid or divx - save those for the final video.

[Also, if you save your clips directly from dvd2avi, be sure to get rid of the interlacing once you open the huffyuv file in VirtualDub. You usually get rid of that with avisynth (see how useful it is?), but you can do a lower version of it with the 'deinterlace' filter in VirtualDub (Vdub) - it will keep your footage from having those nasty horizontal lines at fullscreen.]

Inuyasha666 · Post by **Inuyasha666** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 12:47 am

Arigatomyna wrote:Yes, avisynth seems to be the breaking point for everyone I've tried to walk through this. It really isn't all that complicated - the guides just explain *everything* and that's what gets confusing.

What you use avisynth for is to save your project in dvd2avi (it saves it as a d2v file) and open that project in VirtualDub (you need an avisynth avs file so Vdub can read the project) so you can save your clips (and edit them if you want to use the filters/etc that Vdub has). All an avisynth script is, is a little notepad file that you save as avs instead of txt. If you download the program, actually writing that script (the notepad file) is really very simple. You do the exact same thing each time (unless you want to get fancy with it and do more than the basics). If you download the avisynth package, I can walk you through using it without frying your brain. ^_^; And really, don't feel bad - most people I talk to take one look at that portion of the guides and give up. It's simpler than it looks. And if you're using Premiere, you can edit directly with the avs file without having to save individual clips - which will spare you quality and make it easier if you have to remake the vid someday.

The reason I'm pushing avisynth is because you don't want to save your avis with dvd2avi - that really won't make very good footage (assuming it even works for you). You're likely to run into all sorts of problems doing it that way. But if you *have* to, yes, save the avi in huffyuv format - it's the best. You don't ever want to edit with xvid or divx - save those for the final video.

[Also, if you save your clips directly from dvd2avi, be sure to get rid of the interlacing once you open the huffyuv file in VirtualDub. You usually get rid of that with avisynth (see how useful it is?), but you can do a lower version of it with the 'deinterlace' filter in VirtualDub (Vdub) - it will keep your footage from having those nasty horizontal lines at fullscreen.]

K. Thanx for your help. I appreciate it. If I decide to give Avisynth a shot, I'll PM you.

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:11 am

Unfortunately, AVIsynth is just about the only way to get rid of interlacing (those tiny horizontal lines that show up when something moves), and getting rid of interlacing is VERY important. You seem to know how to use DVD2AVI to make AVI files - that's good. Now just make D2V project files instead of AVIs, and then create the little AVS file with about 2 or 3 lines of text, and you have WAY better-looking video than you did before.

But to answer the question, just use Premiere's cropping options when exporting. Problem solved.