"Do it for yourself!" Is a load of crap

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 2:56 pm

flint_the_dwarf wrote:
CaTaClYsM wrote:want me to let you in on a little secret? I have yet to make an AMV where I actually enjoyed the creaton process in years. The ceation process of all my videos with the exception of the first few I made as a newb were so horribly painful I gave up on half of them or more.
Want to know another secret? I keep editing anyways because of the sense of acomplishment I have when I finaly have a finished product.
Want me to let you in on a little secret? I hate you and your videos.

But seriously, unless you are a sadist, you shouldn't do this if you get no fun out of it. However, I would place accomplishment into the "fun" category because it at least keeps you sane.

rofl

Pie Row Maniac · Post by **Pie Row Maniac** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 4:56 pm

To quote AtomX from the AMV chat, if I was the only person on the planet, I wouldn't make videos. And I completely agree.

For me, it's a combination of "for yourself" and "for others". I do it because I enjoy it, and I enjoy it because other people enjoy it; it's a circle of whole-heartful editing goodness.

TokyoU15 · Post by **TokyoU15** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 5:52 pm

Yes it is, because as a creator, I enjoy other people enjoying what I have created, rather than enjoying the thing I have created, and anyone who would rather create to enjoy the thing they created has either created garbage, or is lying to themselves. I've always found that saying here to be the biggest line of bullshit ever. No 'artist' or 'creator' or whatever you want to call us should EVER be making videos 'because they enjoy it. and screw what everyone else thinks about it.'

So you SHOULD NOT enjoy making videos, but still be concerned if people will enjoy it themselves? Makes no sense.

Create for the sake of Creating" is exactly why so many of us GOOD creators don't bother anymore.

baahaha...From what I've seen, I don't like your videos, so don't make a crude general statement about who is "good" or not. Not everyone will agree with you on who and what makes a good creator. It's simply taste. I like to think I'm above the average creator, but I'm not going to proclaim myself as a good creator because I know there are people who don't enjoy my work, but there are some who do.

I've already done that on several occasions. I used to be heralded as the Dragon Ball Z music video God. I don't claim that my videos are something special without something to back it up, so I point you to any number of the over 100 reviews I have recieved. People who HATE Dragon Ball Z, and more specifically, Dragon Ball Z videos actually enjoyed my videos. Why? Because I cared enough to get good footage, learn how to edit well, and quickly improved.

Again, I have seen a few of your videos and I don't think they're any better than most of the DB/Z videos we have now. So you got 100 or more positive reviews? Does that account everyone on the org? Even the ones who DID NOT like it and DID NOT bother leaving an opinion? The Backstreet Boys have sold millions of records, does that make them good? No. Not everyone enjoys that type of music.

I do agree with you on a certain level...creator SHOULD take a LITTLE consideration for the type of audience they are aiming for, but generally speaking, they should not create to please others, but rather to please themselves.

I love making videos and I certainly HOPE people enjoy it as well, but if I failed I try to take comments people have gave me and elaborate on them and come up with something satisfying to myself that I think will be satisfying to others as well. You can't please everyone, so do the best you can, improve from your last attempt, but never do something you don't enjoy because that will create even more crap.

nailz · Post by **nailz** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 6:20 pm

The masses tell you who is good and who isnt. Not personal taste. I wasn't nominated Best New Creator and Lord of the Ballz wasn't nominated Best Trailer because I make bad videos.

alas, I shall go back to lurking in this topic, as I've already stated my case, and have nothing left to say on the issue.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 6:25 pm

nailz1000 wrote:The masses tell you who is good and who isnt. Not personal taste. I wasn't nominated Best New Creator and Lord of the Ballz wasn't nominated Best Trailer because I make bad videos.

alas, I shall go back to lurking in this topic, as I've already stated my case, and have nothing left to say on the issue.

Yeah, you were never very good at defending yourself.

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 7:33 pm

the best thing is to not give a fuck about what others think about your vids, positive feedback is ok, but its more of the fact that you took the clips and arranged them in a way that they make sense. i still say that i make videos for MYSELF and no-one else, if someone doesnt like my vids i dont really care, because i made the video for myself. the only reason my shitty videos are even online is in the coincidence that someone may want to witness my video, if they like it fine, if they dont fine.

/meaningless rant type thing

TokyoU15 · Post by **TokyoU15** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 7:53 pm

Yeah, you were never very good at defending yourself.

I second that. Popularity means jack shit. Again, I refer to my earlier comment on the Backstreet Boys and their popularity. They have won several awards that mean the same as the ones you have won, but does that make them good? No. It's all taste, nothing more, nothing less. It's reality. I'm sure there are as many people that dislike your videos as there are who enjoyed them and reviewed them.

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 8:36 pm

Pie Row Maniac wrote:To quote AtomX from the AMV chat, if I was the only person on the planet, I wouldn't make videos. And I completely agree.

For me, it's a combination of "for yourself" and "for others". I do it because I enjoy it, and I enjoy it because other people enjoy it; it's a circle of whole-heartful editing goodness.

Ditto.

Getting positive feedback is definitely encouraging, but I won't stop editing just because my videos don't get a lot of hits or ops or win awards... unless people get really pissed off at my videos and tell me to cease and desist...

If you can't be satisfied unless you are lauded by the masses for your amvs, that's a shame. Had Einstein given up physics just because his teachers didn't give him good grades, we'd be way behind in understanding the nature of the universe.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 9:13 pm

Otohiko wrote:In general, expecting a recognized artist, even if it's yourself, to follow a good work with something that maintains a similar effect on the audience is futile.

However, some can. Like Ian, Hsien, Tim, Richard, William, Vlad, Vic, etc....

downwithpants wrote:If you can't be satisfied unless you are lauded by the masses for your amvs, that's a shame.

I can't help it. I don't know how to fix that. I guess it's because I'm just a sucker with no self-esteem (oh way ohhh, yeahhh, yeah-eah-eah).

downwithpants wrote:Had Einstein given up physics just because his teachers didn't give him good grades, we'd be way behind in understanding the nature of the universe.

Hypothesis Contrary to Fact.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 9:20 pm

Scintilla wrote:
Otohiko wrote:In general, expecting a recognized artist, even if it's yourself, to follow a good work with something that maintains a similar effect on the audience is futile.
However, some can. Like Ian, Hsien, Tim, Richard, William, Vlad, Vic, etc....

Dammit, why don't we have an Edit button like other phpBBs do?

I'm sorry, I meant to say: Ian, Hsien, Meri, Richard, William, Vlad, Vic, etc....