question abt questions(eva) possible spoilers

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:40 pm

Okay when did anno say that?
Only time I ever heard that was when a nutjob wrote this insanely long thesis to the eva mailing list explaining why he thought asuka was pregnent at the end... and everyone pretty much wrote him off...

Pie Row Maniac · Post by **Pie Row Maniac** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:34 pm

I'm with Savia on this one, I've NEVER heard of a theory of Asuka being pregnant. Hell, where would one even come up with such a statement? The only real hint for that that I can think of is her feeling sick, something that pregnant woman do feel alot, but you can write off the line "I feel sick" as lots of different meanings. Some of which include:

- Knowing she might die, so she simplifies the concept of it.
- Being sick of Shinji and his whatnot, and saying it in a different way.
- Actually being, y'know, sick. The flu or something. I dunno. Shut up. Stop making fun of me.

Also, if she was recently impregnated, she wouldn't feel sick right away, would she? I'm not quite sure, I'm not an expert on what happens to pregnant people. 8) [/i]

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 6:12 pm

First off, she says "I feel sick" (kimochi warui) and the other lines are fairly similar so who gives a fuck? It's supposed to symbolize that she's disgusted with Shinji and also her physical being (she's hurt obviously). Moreso the first option.

I'd write more, but I don't feel like it since I've replied to this same question so many times I can't remember. Someone go dig that up and post it..voila.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 6:13 pm

dwchang wrote:First off, she says "I feel sick" (kimochi warui) and the other lines are fairly similar so who gives a fuck? It's supposed to symbolize that she's disgusted with Shinji and also her physical being (she's hurt obviously). Moreso the first option.

I'd write more, but I don't feel like it since I've replied to this same question so many times I can't remember. Someone go dig that up and post it..voila.

Grrr...forgot the most important part.

Many debate that the last line, Kimochi Warui, is in fact the director/creator Hideaki Anno "speaking" to the audience. It's not a secret that Anno didn't want to create the movie and only did b/c of the sheer demand and more importantly, death threats (they're clearly shown in the movie in the flashes). Thus, he made a movie and made the visuals even more fucked up and was disgusted with it.

That's probably a more accurate response.

DTJB · Post by **DTJB** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:19 pm

I heard somewhere that it was an ad-lib from the original voice actress. My personal theory is that she is sick at how her life has become. Besides Shinji, everyone she has ever known is gone, everyone she has called a friend is dead to her. Think of coming back to life and just realizing that. My other theory is that it was a reaction to how they felt for each other. In order to show how much we love each other, we first have to harm each other. It's the only way we can confront our feelings.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:18 pm

DTJB wrote:I heard somewhere that it was an ad-lib from the original voice actress. My personal theory is that she is sick at how her life has become. Besides Shinji, everyone she has ever known is gone, everyone she has called a friend is dead to her. Think of coming back to life and just realizing that. My other theory is that it was a reaction to how they felt for each other. In order to show how much we love each other, we first have to harm each other. It's the only way we can confront our feelings.

Yeah, but too bad they're not sick of the world. The fact they came back is because they wanted to live in reality over some fantasy fake world within Instrumentality. That was the whole point of the last two episodes and all that self-searching within it. They CHOSE to come back.

Toecutter · Post by **Toecutter** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:02 pm

In my opinion, the "I feel sick" line is Asuka actually expressing guilt for what she put Shinji through before Instrumentality. Remember, Asuka is really a decent girl who's been cut off from any feelings of love, respect, or friendship. The whole point of her independent, defensive posture was to boost her own morale, rather than prove to others she was superior. Of course, this posturing just kept her from engaging in any real socialization, which is EXACTLY what she needed in the first place!

If she went through Instrumentality in a similar way Shinji did, she has realized how her "survival technique" has crippled her, making a piss poor situation even worse. She chose to live in the real world, so she must have come to the same conclusion Shinji did: as long as one is willing to interact with others, there's always hope that emotional void can be filled.

Supposedly, there are a few people out there who assume Shinji was choking Asuka to test if he was actually in the real world. Remember how one cannot be hurt in their own dream world in Instrumentality? By inflicting pain on Asuka, he was hoping she'd retaliate, which would show pain could be inflicted upon him. Therefore, he could determine if he did have an AT Field, and was existing in the real world, or if he didn't experience pain, he was living in his sheltered dream world again.

Of course, Asuka chose a different course of action. Most likely, she decided Shinji was going through the same crap she was, and with her new self-realization, let down her guard, and finally expressed her feelings of love and concern. Feeling Asuka's hand on his cheek, a response Shinji had never experienced or predicted (making it impossible for him to simulate in a dream world), made him realize two things:

1) He definately was in the real world, with an AT Field
2) Asuka finally quit her bitchy power trip, and turned out pretty nice in the end.

So now you have Shinji bursting into tears because he now feels guilty for strangling Asuka (since he always cared for her as a friend in the first place, but just couldn't express it). Shinji crumples on top of her, because he can finally let down his guard around her, and be as much of a whiny, pathetic crybaby near her without taking her bullshit.

In conclusion, the whole "I feel sick" line must be from Asuka not only feeling guilty for all the crap she put everyone (including Shinji) through, but also the fact she's stranded on a lifeless rock with him, until a few more people decide to come back. After all, living on a tropical island with a volleyball named Wilson is one thing, but being stuck on a giant rock in space with no life of any kind (since all life on the Earth came from the LCL "primordial soup", including any resources to be used for food, shelter, clothing, etc) except a "perverted boy" is another.

omniinuyasha85 · Post by **omniinuyasha85** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:09 pm

Hmm...interesting. So that makes Shinji better than Asuka? Cuz at least Shinji is willing to acknowledge he's a pathetic loser, Asuka actually believes she'll fill up her void by being a stuck-up, arrogant perfectionist? All the more reason to hate the orange haired beeotch.

Btw, I still find it really crazy that Rei's voice actress and Faye Valentine's voice actress is one and the same. They like on opposite ends of the personality spectrum...

Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:15 pm

Amanda Win lee can do quite a few voices ... jsut listen to the voice over commentary on EoE to hear a few weirder samples of what she can do

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dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:42 pm

omniinuyasha85 wrote:Hmm...interesting. So that makes Shinji better than Asuka? Cuz at least Shinji is willing to acknowledge he's a pathetic loser, Asuka actually believes she'll fill up her void by being a stuck-up, arrogant perfectionist? All the more reason to hate the orange haired beeotch.

Btw, I still find it really crazy that Rei's voice actress and Faye Valentine's voice actress is one and the same. They like on opposite ends of the personality spectrum...

There's no "better than" within the story. Each character is an over-exageration of feelings and ways we ourselves feel at times. Shinji is the focus, but the fact Asuka came out of Instrumentality means she overcame her own problems as well and more importantly chose a harsh reality with an AT field over a perfect fantasy.

Toecutter, interesting. I see what you're saying and to a degree agree, however I've read some stuff from Gainax and they said Shinji choked her to validate his existence in reality. Since the blurb on the card is fairly short, perhaps what you say is a continuation of what they wanted to say (with the AT field and reaction). Regardless, these are trivial details when you think about it. We at least all agree on the big picture and well like I said earlier, I agree to a degree.

I still want to bring up the Anno fact because even if all this makes sense, it's a known fact he didn't want to make End of Eva and was quite upset at the fans not accepting HIS ending (the TV series). The line easily applies to how he feels having made the movie.