DriftRoots wrote:No, not war veterans, sorry.
Damn
I'm speaking here as someone who would like to make an AMV, is not intellectually-challenged, has creative ideas and a willingness to work hard.
that's the fighting spirit we all like to see.
Looking around at all the AMV guides (here or other places on the Internet) I am left with the impression that veteran AMV creators who have produced quality works are very closemouthed about their methods and techniques.
Not entirely true, I tend to lend a hand to people who want to know how to do something that I did in a video...mostly those damn matte effects in "Fire" why can't you leave me alone! Some amv creaters have a signature effect they don't necessarily want to give away to the public, and would rather let them find out for their own (all part of the learning experience).
Please do not immediately attack me for ignorance.
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I am well-aware of how much there is to learn about making an AMV and that, in many people's minds, one should probably not tackle an AMV without a solid grounding in video/graphics.
Ah, brings me back to my first few vids, hehe..I was clueless.
I find it frutrating, though, that unless one possesses such a background, the help/ suggestions that are offered by those more knowledgable is really not helpful at all. Worse, "simple" help oftentimes comes across as downright condescending.
Sadly what you say is most often true, but simply for the matter is that our patience is wearing thin on those people who don't bother to look up their querry in the forum before posting it, but I'm guilty of such acts so I try to not flame. Often in the past the hostility was from "Read <a href=http://www.a-m-v.org/guides/avtech31/>ErMaC & AbsoluteDestiny's Friendly AMV Guides</a>" "ratfag" I can't remember it anymore, which actually just ment go look at the guides, but most people interperated it as being called a fag.
I am very familiar with . . . oh what shall I call it . . . "need" to find approval, admiration and some sort of social status via the Internet, usually at the expense of others.
it's a dog eat dog world out there.
Is there anyone here who is actually open to offering friendly, helpful advice to those who appreciate such a mentor, or are you all too "busy" doing more "important" things to bother helping newbies?
I'd gladly help but in the mean time I do have other things to do, so time would be rather..stretched? Actually I have nothing better to do until I get a job, me and my lazy ass.
The so-called "Guides" on this Web site are a case in point, except for a few (rather common sense) bits of advice for planning an AMV's theme and some very technical information that should be labeled "for intermediate/advanced users only," there's NOTHING here to help people become better AMV creators - maybe there are so many crappy AMV's out there BECAUSE NO ONE IS OFFERING TO SHOW OTHERS A BETTER WAY TO DO THINGS.
Frankly the 'journey' for improvement is a task that should be done on it's own, but with help along the way. The reason there is so many crappy amv's is usually because those people don't care, and like the rest of us, we do this as a hobby at our own expense. To us, what we think is crappy is the other creater's "Euphoria" (awe snap!).
Rather like giving a gang of kids bikes and expecting them to get to point A from point B as fast as possible, but never bothering to teach them how to ride a bike.
They'll figure it out eventually...most of us started our more clueless than the people who join today, long before we even had guides to jump start the process. My first experience was with a trial version of premiere..which pissed me off cause I made my first vid in that thing and couldn't save it!!
Why is an AMV a "failure" if it does not meet the standards set for "perfection?"
very good question, since the idea of perfection is quite impossible and in fact should be deemed a rather 'not sane' way of thinking. Frankly if people don't like a video they can live with it and keep they're petty ideals to themselves.
Are things that black and white?
With some tinkering in Premiere it can be
Cannot an AMV with a rating of 7.5 be far superior in terms of creativity, originality etc. than the oft-downloaded AMVs to be found in the "top 10%?" and receive such recognition in its own right?
with what has been happening recently, yes, a 7.5 vid can be FAR better than anything in the top 10%. If you've noticed, we have a seriously flawed voting system. The only thing you can possibly rely on is perhaps a specific user's favorite's list.
OK EVERYONE, STOP THAT FLAMING POST YOU'RE ABOUT TO WRITE AND JUST LISTEN FOR ONE MORE SECOND (or ten).
*screeches to a halt*
This is a forum, a place to facilitate discussion of ideas and opinions, therefore I have every right to voice them regardless of their accuracy or the strength of my belief in them.
Amen to that
I don't think my frustration with the lack of aid to would-be AMVersis going to impress anyone as original or worthy of attention or even reply.
sure got my attention.
That's the wonderful thing about forums, even if no one gives a damn - generally speaking, you can still be heard.
The great and powerful Oz has spoken!
Anywho, don't get me wrong by quoting your entire post, i'm not flaming you in any way, this just helps me gather a more well founded response by picking out your every word. Frankly what you speak of can be brought back to that old "Attitudes of AMV Creators" discussion a while back. *cough*
So again, please don't take my remarks as insults.
Indeed the newbies aren't getting the respect and help that they prolly NEED. Often in societies like this though such respect has to be earned. There's a no shit attitude that often goes around in the newbie creater population were a simple remark, like the ones I made to your post, would sprout a carpet bombing of vulgarities and flames, and thus they loose what respect they could of possibly had, and often will get scoffed at in any future discussions simply because again, few of us have the patience to deal with them.
Also we have a grand "asshole" population in the forum, you know who you are.
Like Arigatomyna mentioned, asking vet's isn't always the best thing to do. Small tid bits is okay, but on what makes a video good in they're view isn't the best plan. Your not gonna make a grand video in just 4 tries like some creators do. Often people spend time making loads of videos until they find they're own style, often caused by the AMVitus (where you see a video to every song you hear on the radio) and from many editing experiences.
What kills me is is a vid that is so good it actually discourages other creators from making videos. That "There's no way I can top that!!" attitude saddens me at times. Such thinking no longer makes the hobby fun. Often I find myself taking general ideas that people HATE, and make vids to them, like country music
It wasn't a grand idea, it won't go down in the history of amv's, but it did make some people go "Damn"
As for respect...psshh, right now I have a goal of loosing respect (with ideas that people hate
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