Schools of AMVs

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 12:22 am

danielwang wrote:
Paulo wrote:
trythil wrote:
Sporkmaster wrote:
Kusoyaro wrote:I have no idea what this thread is about.

Gomen.
Well the idea was to make a few group of members that as a gropu op nothing but one type of style. For example, one group will grade nothing bust action, another for drama, etc. All with teh point of working towrds a overall 'ideal" video for each type.
That sounds unnecessary, especially considering that all you're doing there is promoting barriers that have no reason to exist.
Unnecessary?.....well if you are a veteran on AMVs maybe it is,but I like the Sporkmaster's idea,for begginers will be a great help

Not necessarily. Specialized is good, and people don't necessarily have to participate in only one group... my recommendation? At the minimum, create an "AMV Production" forum tree, then some "Technical" and some artistic groups, anything from timing to plot.

Run with it?

No.

There is <i>no reason for any such seperations to exist</i>. It's pointless to say "well, gee, this is the best-timed video, and this video has a neat concept, and this video makes me go blind when I watch it", because a good video incorporates all those things expertly. Additionally, they all link into each other -- concept influences artistry influences technics. To seperate and isolate various aspects of a video just doesn't make any sense.

This isn't software engineering, or, for that matter, any kind of science where any such compartmentalization would do any good.

Paulo wrote: Unnecessary?.....well if you are a veteran on AMVs maybe it is,but I like the Sporkmaster's idea,for begginers will be a great help

I disagree. Breaking videos down into whatever components you want to break things down into just adds unnecessary complexity to the entire process; it's far better to just let the beginner forge their own path.

It also seems that such an attempt will be doomed to two fates:

(1) either you get so many opinions on the various pieces of AMVing that it becomes a useless mess, like the current state of opinions, or

(2) you manage to maintain uniformity, but in the process stifle innovation, which is a fate far worse than option #1.

Of course, that's only my opinion. I certainly don't have the AMV expertise to back whatever I write with any clout.

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 12:32 am

trythil wrote:...in other words, fend for yourselves...

I'd have to agree with trythil on this one... Now that I think about it, less work for me!

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 12:42 am

I am with Trythil on this (to a degree). I'll be quite honest, I think this idea is stupid. This relates to how I feel about the entire community's situation and mentality lately.

In creating groups of editors who are "experts," all you're doing is dividing the community into "masters" and "n00bs." Everyone complains about elitism and whatnot and yet...this is doing just that. Saying that Person A IS the source for timing or action or effect, etc. is just going to create a division in the community that is not necessary.

Now, I do understand that this is to help people with their videos and that is a noble cause however, this is not the way to do it. If you want advice on a video, ask for an opinion in the forums or PM a person you think will provide good feedback. There is no need for us to create a group that is "official" for this very purpose. You're just going to cause divisions and tension.

So in summary, although I am all for people getting better, I do not think creating groups of "experts" is the best way to do it. What is preventing you from asking yourself? The means are already there.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 1:26 am

Bagh.

I like the idea, but I don't want to review one type of amv. I don't want to make strictly 'action' or 'drama' or 'fast' or 'slow' and have each one graded separately. What if I want to mix drama and random action? I have to get both groups to review it? But if you're an expert on only one type of video, you know crap about the other types, and you haven't seen enough variety to handle creative videos that pass over boundaries. And you'll always kick the same old criticism over and over - action = this, drama = this, boring old stuff. I admit, I like to get feedback from certain people who happen to be good at certain aspects of amvs - but I wouldn't let their advice rule what I do. And who says who the experts are?

^_^ I think I'm about to the point where I smirk when I hear about 'masters' videos, and 'pro' editors - *especially* when they can only do one thing. So you're good at action. If you can't do drama you're a one trick pony. Separating people into groups according to the type of videos they make will just promote this sort of limitation. We have enough 'master' editors who can only do one type of video - we don't want to teach the beginning editors to copy that. They can use the advice to learn more about certain features of editing, and to know how other people view things. But no one should adjust their work just because of what one person thinks.

Sporkmaster · Post by **Sporkmaster** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 1:38 am

Well after reading the overall responce and some second guessing, I think that this I idea is not as good as it sounded orginally and I offically withdraw it.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 1:40 am

Nah, the problem is that it would put too much importance on what the pro's think. And reviews are already biased since most people only review what they like or what they hate - this would encourage that sort of separation. ^_^;

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 1:41 am

Well.. this fall I'm opening a school called "After Effects for AMVs"... I know Hsein will sign up for sure

Vlad

danielwang · Post by **danielwang** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 1:44 am

Sporkmaster wrote:Well after reading the overall responce and some second guessing, I think that this I idea is not as good as it sounded orginally and I offically withdraw it.

I concur.

Well, at least there's still guides! Those should be good for compartmentalizing AMV aspects, boosting egos and all the other stuff as well.

post-it · Post by **post-it** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 1:48 am

don't give up on my account ^^ I like what you did on your last AMV ^^

I guess my question would be; who is going to host this AMV Class?

Sporkmaster · Post by **Sporkmaster** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 2:18 am

Arigatomyna wrote:Nah, the problem is that it would put too much importance on what the pro's think. And reviews are already biased since most people only review what they like or what they hate - this would encourage that sort of separation. ^_^;

Well there are times where I do not review it because of those biases. I just wanted a way to be able to get past this.