Rurouni Kenshin & Trigun, One in the same?

Shun · Post by **Shun** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:34 pm

Ive came across this recenetly and was wondering if anyone else has.

Main characters Vash and Kenshin - Both with an oath not to kill.

Legato=Black semi long hair with strang coat who controls a group of strange fighters(Gungho Guns)

Aoshi=Black semi long hair with a strange coat who controls a group of strang fighters(oniwaban(sp) group)

Wolfwood=Man with a sad past and a giant weapon covered in a tan cloth.

Sanouske Sagara = Man witha sad past and a giant weapon covered with a tan cloth.

So i have come to the conclusion that either way one of them has greatly inspired the other, maybe its just me

MAS PRODUCTIONS · Post by **MAS PRODUCTIONS** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:10 pm

There is a major difference between Vash and Kenshin. Unlike Vash, Kenshin has killed hundreds of people. Kenshin really has a reason not to kill, Vash doesn't kill because of an ideal of a woman. Kenshin wants a peaceful world but realizes that its pratically impossible in this world. Character wise Kenshin and Vash are oceans apart. True they have similar themes but thats all thats really similar. The really funny thing is, for all the power Vash should have (as in comparison to Knives) he would get his ass handed to him by Kenshin.

Shun · Post by **Shun** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 2:51 am

yah well, what about the strang coat men with the short black hair and the group of strange fighters and the 2 guys with the sad past and the giant clothed weapons, eh eh eh

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 2:55 am

The Japanese aren't known for innovation, perhaps

?

Shun · Post by **Shun** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:00 am

Well, the oniwanban(sp, i will never spell this right) group is based on an actual historical fact during the japanese revolution. There was indeed a real oniwanban group who were the defenders of the edo castle garden and spied on their allies for their lord.

---Taken from linear notes of RK dvds.

Sajime Saito(sp

) is also a actual historical figure along with the shinsengumi. They even whent so far as to follow it to the point where he became a police officer after the end of the revolution.

---Taken from a few RK sites.

The Seikihouti(sp, god) may aswell be true to history, i have no proof but imo they most lilkely are.

---Taken from my mind o_O

InSaNe KeYbLaDeR · Post by **InSaNe KeYbLaDeR** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 10:04 am

Yeah, peope have come up with this conclusion before. I saw this on a Rurouni Kenshin site, but sadly they're taking it down....Waaaaaaaa!!! I want to kiss Aoshi!!!!!!!! -_-

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:04 pm

Shun wrote:Well, the oniwanban(sp, i will never spell this right) group is based on an actual historical fact during the japanese revolution. There was indeed a real oniwanban group who were the defenders of the edo castle garden and spied on their allies for their lord.

---Taken from linear notes of RK dvds.

Sajime Saito(sp ) is also a actual historical figure along with the shinsengumi. They even whent so far as to follow it to the point where he became a police officer after the end of the revolution.

---Taken from a few RK sites.

The Seikihouti(sp, god) may aswell be true to history, i have no proof but imo they most lilkely are.

---Taken from my mind o_O

First off saying "Oniwaban group" is redundant since you're saying "Oniwa Group Group." They're either the "OniwaBanshu" or "Oniwa Group."

Secondly, yes all three of these things are historical (including the Sekihoutai). Saitoh in fact has quite a bit more history recorded in novels and so on. A humorous antecdote is in Episode 28/29 where the politician asks Saitoh if he wants a drink and he replies something like "No, if I drink, I kill people." Saitoh Hajime was a known alcoholic and died of liver failure and thus the joke.

Oh also Okita (Captain of the first Shinsengumi brigade) was also a real person. He is also the character design the creator used for Seta Soujirou.

MAS Productions wrote:There is a major difference between Vash and Kenshin. Unlike Vash, Kenshin has killed hundreds of people. Kenshin really has a reason not to kill, Vash doesn't kill because of an ideal of a woman. Kenshin wants a peaceful world but realizes that its pratically impossible in this world. Character wise Kenshin and Vash are oceans apart. True they have similar themes but thats all thats really similar. The really funny thing is, for all the power Vash should have (as in comparison to Knives) he would get his ass handed to him by Kenshin.

That's not the only difference. The other being that RK is really good and Trigun is slightly better than mediocre (for me). Oh did I say that outloud?

In all honesty, I think it has something to do with me seeing RK better (the superior one IMO) and thus Trigun just seemd to be a regurgitation of the same idea (it did come out 2 years later too) and worse...it had MUCH worse animation (seriously...don't kid yourself...look at how some of the character's faces are drawn) and a less epic and meaningful plot.

So yeah, I do agree they are similar, but not the same.

Shun · Post by **Shun** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:41 pm

dwchang wrote:
Shun wrote:Well, the oniwanban(sp, i will never spell this right) group is based on an actual historical fact during the japanese revolution. There was indeed a real oniwanban group who were the defenders of the edo castle garden and spied on their allies for their lord.

---Taken from linear notes of RK dvds.

Sajime Saito(sp ) is also a actual historical figure along with the shinsengumi. They even whent so far as to follow it to the point where he became a police officer after the end of the revolution.

---Taken from a few RK sites.

The Seikihouti(sp, god) may aswell be true to history, i have no proof but imo they most lilkely are.

---Taken from my mind o_O
First off saying "Oniwaban group" is redundant since you're saying "Oniwa Group Group." They're either the "OniwaBanshu" or "Oniwa Group."

Secondly, yes all three of these things are historical (including the Sekihoutai). Saitoh in fact has quite a bit more history recorded in novels and so on. A humorous antecdote is in Episode 28/29 where the politician asks Saitoh if he wants a drink and he replies something like "No, if I drink, I kill people." Saitoh Hajime was a known alcoholic and died of liver failure and thus the joke.

Oh also Okita (Captain of the first Shinsengumi brigade) was also a real person. He is also the character design the creator used for Seta Soujirou.

MAS Productions wrote:There is a major difference between Vash and Kenshin. Unlike Vash, Kenshin has killed hundreds of people. Kenshin really has a reason not to kill, Vash doesn't kill because of an ideal of a woman. Kenshin wants a peaceful world but realizes that its pratically impossible in this world. Character wise Kenshin and Vash are oceans apart. True they have similar themes but thats all thats really similar. The really funny thing is, for all the power Vash should have (as in comparison to Knives) he would get his ass handed to him by Kenshin.
That's not the only difference. The other being that RK is really good and Trigun is slightly better than mediocre (for me). Oh did I say that outloud?

In all honesty, I think it has something to do with me seeing RK better (the superior one IMO) and thus Trigun just seemd to be a regurgitation of the same idea (it did come out 2 years later too) and worse...it had MUCH worse animation (seriously...don't kid yourself...look at how some of the character's faces are drawn) and a less epic and meaningful plot.

So yeah, I do agree they are similar, but not the same.

That makes sense because after i saw sojiro after the flashback(somewhere around episode 30) I thought he was fromt he revolution aswell, but then i realised it was impossible because hes still pretty young

Shun · Post by **Shun** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:08 pm

Some more very interesting facts(sorry but this is ammusing the crap out of me so ive been searching around

)

This is a picture of the actual Saito Hajime.

http://www.manga.sk/Informacie/Clanky/O ... _saito.jpg

also...

OKITA SOUJI

A swordman of Tennenrishinryu. The captain of the first party of "Shinsengumi".
Although he was a gifted swordsman, he died by tuberculosis in his twenties.

During the flashback around episode 30 it shows Okita preparing to fight kenshin during the revolution, however he begins to cough and saito takes his place, i found it very interesting that he actually was ill around the age he was in the anime.

Also sanouske was based on an older guy(first name started with a H and his last was sanouske) but they made him much younger so that he wouldnt be as old during the present day of rurouni kenshin.

And if any one else is interested in the shinsengumi there is more information here...

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/5770/shinhis.htm

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:39 pm

Shun wrote: A swordman of Tennenrishinryu. The captain of the first party of "Shinsengumi".
Although he was a gifted swordsman, he died by tuberculosis in his twenties.

During the flashback around episode 30 it shows Okita preparing to fight kenshin during the revolution, however he begins to cough and saito takes his place, i found it very interesting that he actually was ill around the age he was in the anime.

Oh I didn't mention that? Yeah, the reason Okita coughs up blood in Episode 28 and the OVA is to tie-in with history. IIRC this is all fairly standard Japanese History. That's the reason the Kenshin creator put that stuff in.

Sano's not the only one. Aoshi is also based on the Shinsengumi's Vice-Commander. If you have the manga, there is a big collage of all the squad captains, the command and vice-commander and they all look eeriliy similar to the characters in the show.