Evangelion: Classic or Overrated?

[dwchang]

You said you liked DBZ in one of your posts. Imagine if the voice actor for Piccalo did his voice all high pitched and swishy. Even if he did a great performance of this voice, he would be damaging the character because Piccalo is supposed to be a macho character. (I hope that's a correct example, because I really don't know DBZ that well)

The best extreme I have used to illustrate this example (and it works since people love Star Wars) is if they dubbed Darth Vader in Japan in a higher voice. To the fans, it could be pleasing to the ears and one could say "wow he did a good" job, but is it accurate to the original character? No. As I said earlier, there is a right voice to all these characters and that would be the one the creator casted.

I might also add along the dubbing standpoint, how would you feel if they changed the lines around to something like "Luke, I am your....uncle" because the Japanese don't like having such a violent father/son relationship (of course this is an exaggerated extreme). That TOTALLY changes the story. Don't think it doesn't happen on our end. Almost all CN dubs have some changes to either match lip movements or for censoring and thus change the story.

[markedman247]

[quote]I might also add along the dubbing standpoint, how would you feel if they changed the lines around to something like "Luke, I am your....uncle" because the Japanese don't like having such a violent father/son relationship (of course this is an exaggerated extreme). [/quote]

I hope that wasn't true, because that would be wack hearing that for the "Tekken" series of games. :lol:

Markedman

[dwchang]

I might also add along the dubbing standpoint, how would you feel if they changed the lines around to something like "Luke, I am your....uncle" because the Japanese don't like having such a violent father/son relationship (of course this is an exaggerated extreme).

I hope that wasn't true, because that would be wack hearing that for the "Tekken" series of games.

Markedman

No it's not, it just illustrates the point pretty clearly since the people who I tend to be discussing this with are probably nerdz like me and love Star Wars. When they hear something like that they generally in shock and hopefully the point gets through better .

Yeah what's up with Heiachi's (sp) family. Him, Kazuya, Jin and Jun.

[Lyrs]

The japanese equivalent of mark twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, only better.

I hated Huck Finn's ending.

/end

[CaTaClYsM]

ACTUALLY, yes alegory does, every single time you post about how great eva is you cannot for the like of you not talk about the kabalah every freaking time.

[CaTaClYsM]

And that is what I was talking about, how you give eva higher marks due to it's use af alegory.

[AtomicWeezleman]

alegory???, anyhow, another reason u could call eva a classic, and im supprised no one has picked up on it yet, and that is the score, it has some truly moving bits of music that go so well with the animation (think to eoe, shinji and misato's last moments together). this is something that a lot of anime missis, the importance of a damn good score. Its true though, i like classical music, so that incline me to like good use of it, favorite pieces in eva are ode to joy, where shinji battle kwarou, and eva 2 last fight (for some reason i cant remmber how to spell whiny bitch's name).

[Lonley Driver]

The main problem I have with Evangelion is that no matter how good the character development is, the show is not just about the characters, it's about the Eva's Angels etc... as well. They have their own story in addition to the character development, and the story could use a little more development.

I felt that the true ending ignored all my questions about the storyline, and just finished off the character development. There were plenty of questions left unaswered or left with extremely obscure answers.

Lets face it, this story isn't just about a boy, it's about a lot of other stuff, and by saying everything including all the references to the Kabbalah is whittled down into really just being about a boy is really over simplifying a rather complex, deep, and dare I say, unfinished story.

Evangelion reminds me a lot of Muholland Drive. They're both intriguing, well done, and thought provoking, but they could really both use some work in the coherent plot department.

Is it a classic? I'd say by the whole phenomenon it created and it's sheer popularity that it is, regardless of what anyone thinks. But, personally I'm not a huge fan. I respect what Evangelion is, but quite frankly, I think it's overrated.

-David

[dwchang]

The main problem I have with Evangelion is that no matter how good the character development is, the show is not just about the characters, it's about the Eva's Angels etc... as well. They have their own story in addition to the character development, and the story could use a little more development.

I felt that the true ending ignored all my questions about the storyline, and just finished off the character development. There were plenty of questions left unaswered or left with extremely obscure answers.

Lets face it, this story isn't just about a boy, it's about a lot of other stuff, and by saying everything including all the references to the Kabbalah is whittled down into really just being about a boy is really over simplifying a rather complex, deep, and dare I say, unfinished story.

Evangelion reminds me a lot of Muholland Drive. They're both intriguing, well done, and thought provoking, but they could really both use some work in the coherent plot department.

Is it a classic? I'd say by the whole phenomenon it created and it's sheer popularity that it is, regardless of what anyone thinks. But, personally I'm not a huge fan. I respect what Evangelion is, but quite frankly, I think it's overrated.

-David

I for one think the story part is all resolved. It's quite convoluted, but it's all there one way or another. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and I'm sure someone has the answer. As for it being about the story, I believe it's been said, but I believe the story is just the vehicle to bring about the character development. You could have a totally different story and still get the same character development and message across. Anno chose Mecha and religious ties. Basically, I think the story part is really just the backdrop in which the character interact and grow. Although don't get me wrong, the story is amazing and can be convoluved.

[Meksikanfude]

The main problem I have with Evangelion is that no matter how good the character development is, the show is not just about the characters, it's about the Eva's Angels etc... as well. They have their own story in addition to the character development, and the story could use a little more development.

I felt that the true ending ignored all my questions about the storyline, and just finished off the character development. There were plenty of questions left unaswered or left with extremely obscure answers.

Lets face it, this story isn't just about a boy, it's about a lot of other stuff, and by saying everything including all the references to the Kabbalah is whittled down into really just being about a boy is really over simplifying a rather complex, deep, and dare I say, unfinished story.

Evangelion reminds me a lot of Muholland Drive. They're both intriguing, well done, and thought provoking, but they could really both use some work in the coherent plot department.

Is it a classic? I'd say by the whole phenomenon it created and it's sheer popularity that it is, regardless of what anyone thinks. But, personally I'm not a huge fan. I respect what Evangelion is, but quite frankly, I think it's overrated.

-David

Real quick, Muholland Drive was like an abstract painting. There was really no use for plot. I mean, basically the whole thing was a dream. I had to watch it three times to understand it.
Eva I consider it a classic, one of my favorites. The story IS about the boy. The angles are basically the secondary story. I'm sure Anno could have had the series without angels and mecha and still tell the story about the boy, but big explosions always sell alot more, plus it looks cooler... or more cool, i dunno.