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Post by dwchang » Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:02 pm

Bluemantis wrote:YO dwchang,

I can respect that, as long I am given a good reason why you would prefer one over the other.
Like I said, main reason is original intent/creator's vision.
Watching dub can be eductional though. Example I hate how Kitsune(Love Hina) sound so country when she talkes. Later when I was complaining about it a friend told me that that it was the equivalent of japanese oska acsent(I think he said oska). So know when I wacth it subbed I can hear how she says her words different from everyone else.
Yes, you are referring to Osaka-ben. It is a type of dialect around the Osaka-region of Japan. I believe Sanouske from Rurouni Kenshin also speaks this way. If you notice he rolls a lot of his words.
I also heard your veiw point from another friend who wants to see the creators intentions. This is just a question not an argument against you preference? But how can say what their intention are? I was listening to an interveiw with the creator for berserk and he think that western fantasies are the most orginal fantasies created. He hopes that what he created is as good as what he thinks we create is and that we will except it. Our culture influenced his work with hopes of sending it state. Would you still call it impure to watch it dubbed? Are when animatrix comes out, knowing that the creators are americans what would you prefer?
True, true. I agree that even I (or other people watching raw or subbed anime) do not know what the creator wants. However, we do know that the creator/director does help in the creation of the show. This includes the casting of the voices and the voice direction. Therefore, one can infer that if he is there, he'd say something if he didn't like a voice or thought it was conveyed wrong.

With a dub (not just anime), you don't have the director/creator's influence in the slightest. What you get is a US (or other countries) distributor casting the roles, doing the voice direction, etc. The original production crew has nothing to do with this. Like I said earlier, I'd rather be only one step off (that being subtitles instead of raw) from the original instead of a few more.

As for Animatrix, I will watch it in whatever original language it was intended in. In this case, that would be English. By no means am I a Japanese-elitist (hell I'm Korean and don't particularly like what the Japanese have done to my country for centuries) and think that if it's Japanese it must be awesome. I might add quite a few otakus think this and it's quite disturbing (for example people buying Pocky, a mediocre snack mind you, at conventions for like $5.00 when I buy it for like 75 cents. But it's japanese!!! AHHH!!!). Basically, I will watch a show/movie/series in whatever the original language is/was. Run Lola Run? German. Animatrix? English. Attack the Gas Station? Korean (if you know what this is, you are cool!). And so on.

As for your point about Berserk, I don't think it's really relevant. I mean yes, obviously Berserk is influenced by Western mythos of Knights and so on, but that means the original work is the creator's...creation. This by no means influences the voice acting or casting. Or perhaps it did when he cast the roles, but regardless it didn't effect the US cast.

By no means is it wrong that there are Western influences (in fact quite a bit of anime is influenced by Western mythos), but it's not really relevant to the point of original intent/vision since Berserk is made by a Japanese Production Crew and the dub has nothing to do with these guys (namely the creator). I hope that makes sense.

I for one, would definitely accept (not necessarily like) dubs if the creators had some sort of say in the process (in particular the casting of the VAs and the script). This would make it less "impure" to me. Then again, the ultimate solution is for me to just learn Japanese. I had four years in HS (way back when), but it's equivalent to like two years in college (i.e that of a 5 year old).
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Post by dwchang » Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:07 pm

A bit off-topic, but I'd like to compliment you on your ability to well...not flame and instead discussin a calm and logical fashion. I've seen this sort of thread a lot of times in the ORG and almost all of them end in some sort of retarded flames and baseless retorts (or lack thereof) like "Oh yeah! Well screw you!"

In an argument/discussion, one should take in points logically and make conclusions and not go off of emotions and whatnot. Most people, regardless of how sound the argument is, will just get frustrated and resort to...."retardedness." I applaud the fact you haven't gone screaming off :).
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Post by Garylisk » Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:45 pm

Level 7 4 life, yo! :P
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Post by Mroni » Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:45 pm

Plenty of different kinds of otaku Me I am one of them.


1. Would like a quick visit to japan to hang around the high schools.

2. Has no interest in learning japanese they talk too damn fast.

3. Watched anime when I was young but that dosent count. I didn't even like it high school thanks to crap like akira and dbz. Got started watching it when a kid had slayers the movie over at my freinds house late one saturday night. Note before this he had bought over crap like ghost in the shell and that stuff was just too wierd.

4. Bought every slayers tape then available had to wait for phantom city to come out in the next series. Talk about agonizing hell

5.got the first 2 series advertised on the slayers tapes. Started renting everything they had at blockbuster.

6.While searching Ranma websites found out about lum.

7. Found that anime contains the cuteness virus

8. Began fondling myself to animated children.

9. Has easily spent over 15,000 on my anime collection in 3 years.

10.Dear god help me


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Post by superspike » Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:59 pm

is like a 6.3 bad ? :?

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Post by Castor Troy » Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:07 pm

That Miyazaki guy.
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Post by Propyro » Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:18 pm

hmm i suppsoe i'm a 4.5, i ahve no intention to pregress to the point of absolute obsession. I am however trying to learn how to draw ... i guess anime ahs a large impact on that ... as for eating with chop sticks ... yea sure, if i'm eating something like sushi sure ... In my school it's pretty ionteresting though, it' smostly jsut the Asian guys who are intersted in anime ... and only a few of them too, the only things i ever hear them talk about is usualy dragon ball any ways ... i don't think i've net any official Otaku ... but i guess i've seen a few people who come pretty close.

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Post by Corran » Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:25 pm

Propyro, we had that mindset at one point. It just corrupts you. Your only chance is to abstain to the point you forget about it completely or kill yourself...

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Post by Grekon » Thu Mar 20, 2003 11:31 am

Okay... I think i'm about 6.6-6.8, and I think that is kind of bad :( . Almost everything is true except for that moving to Japan(but I would like to visit there if I only got money!) and I still have one or two other interests than Anime. :D

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Post by Pierrot Le Fou » Thu Mar 20, 2003 1:57 pm

1. Watched Dragonball and Sailor Moon as a kid.
2. Met people in High School that liked anime.
3. Watched some anime with them [GITS, Ninja Scroll, Vampire Hunter D,
Princess Mononoke]
4. Bought GITS on DVD.
5. Discovered NGE at video store and rented the first DVD
6. Aquired a couple digisubbed NGE eps
7. Bought up as many NGE DVDs as I could
8. Made first AMV.
9. Discovered Cowboy Bebop.
10. Saw End of Evangelion.
11. Made second AMV
12. Discovered Hellsing, X, and GITS: SAC
13. Found the .Org
14. Started to recognize and understand bits of japanese.
15. Made third AMV
16. Joined the JSR AMV project
17. Discovered FLCL
18. Posted in this thread. ;D

Who knows where it will go from here....
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