Well, i'm not here to talk about my own interests, i think i've told by now way too much about me..
The subject deals with the opinion you have about the system of rating the opinions...not with the opinion you have about ppl who do care about the opinion they're given.
If you don't care about it, please, don't participate (i don't even see in what you can feel concerned by the subject, in this case, anyway...).
"usefulness", they say...! Ha! >_<
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Post subjects are a waste of time
I don't have the time right now to write a properly structured post here (ah, the sweet, sweet taste of irony), so I'm going to have to make do with the bare bones of my view.
-The usefulness rating is hardly important enough to whine about, as already brought up. I wouldn't much care if it was renamed/removed, though I wouldn't see the point.
-I've yet to see anyone try and throw their weight around in any way because of a usefulness rating. I'm somewhat proud that I can contribute to the community in spite of lacking any capability as an editor, but I would never claim superiority.
-The length of a review and its likelihood of being useful / magnitude of utility correlate. It's the simplest way to get a fairly decent gauge of usefulness. Being simple and the fact that everyone's ideas of what constitutes usefulness are hardly congruous automatically leads it to the point where it can't be entirely accurate, and can't please everyone. However, most alternatives would please few more and displease the vast majority.
-Any criticism that can go towards those on the most useful list can be just as applicable, more often than not more so, to those further down. A long review may not be great, but a short review stands less chance of constructive justification. I'd be inclined to believe that your view of the list is based on a minority within the list, as the vast majority of what I've seen from other 'useful commenters' merits the description.
-If I'm among those you had in mind, please tell me what you feel that I'm doing wrong. I do what I do for the benefit of the site and its members (even if it is just a hobby), so any suggestions of improvement will be welcomed, so long as you're civil and constructive about it.
-Creators rating opinions is a horrible idea. It promotes brown nosing both ways. In a perfect world, it might work, but the average score for videos on this site is an all too blatant reminder that things just don't work that way.
-The usefulness rating is hardly important enough to whine about, as already brought up. I wouldn't much care if it was renamed/removed, though I wouldn't see the point.
-I've yet to see anyone try and throw their weight around in any way because of a usefulness rating. I'm somewhat proud that I can contribute to the community in spite of lacking any capability as an editor, but I would never claim superiority.
-The length of a review and its likelihood of being useful / magnitude of utility correlate. It's the simplest way to get a fairly decent gauge of usefulness. Being simple and the fact that everyone's ideas of what constitutes usefulness are hardly congruous automatically leads it to the point where it can't be entirely accurate, and can't please everyone. However, most alternatives would please few more and displease the vast majority.
-Any criticism that can go towards those on the most useful list can be just as applicable, more often than not more so, to those further down. A long review may not be great, but a short review stands less chance of constructive justification. I'd be inclined to believe that your view of the list is based on a minority within the list, as the vast majority of what I've seen from other 'useful commenters' merits the description.
-If I'm among those you had in mind, please tell me what you feel that I'm doing wrong. I do what I do for the benefit of the site and its members (even if it is just a hobby), so any suggestions of improvement will be welcomed, so long as you're civil and constructive about it.
-Creators rating opinions is a horrible idea. It promotes brown nosing both ways. In a perfect world, it might work, but the average score for videos on this site is an all too blatant reminder that things just don't work that way.
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paul>lol! i'll try my best too! ^^
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xanthrax> lord of evil, you'd deserve to be replied with a "so dou ai"-avatar...but, don't have any webspace, so, can't answer you with hte propoer avatar...too bad. Hmm. anyways, let's get over with it;
as to the comment itself:
-sure thing is the title of the website is "a-m-v.org", not "reviews.com", that's true. However, i do think that reviews are something to care about, on a-m-v.org...they're part of the site, and i guess phade put it up without anyone asking for it, no?...reviews can give a new meaning to a video...it's a new "reading" of it...can be neat...i mean: it's like you're saying analysis of a book isn't worth anything, only the book is worth reading...oh, well...and anyways, everybody's entitled to an opinion...but once again, the point of the thread is not dealing with the "opinion you have of ppl who care about what the site give them feedback about: their 'work' (of writing or editing)".
I mean: you can say having feedback on a review isn't making any sense FOR YOU, but if the system of the site allows it, then, must be because someone else than me found it was important...
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c'me on! get over with that "oh! look how big the ego of these ppl who care about opinions given about their review is big!"-thing!...
I've not began the thread to be "pointed by the finger".
If you can't get that i'm talking about the subject, please, ignore the topic, that's all!
-hum...
But, still, if the only thing that matters, to have good review, is to pack up a comment page with words, i can say just anything, tell my life, or tell a series of insult to the amvmaker, and it wil still be estimated as smthg useful! do you think it's normal?!
In my opinion, lenght of review and and the fact that it's useful shouldn't be correlated at all...
I see indeed the fact that length is rewarded as the simplest way, for the commentor, to "get a good mark", or so....
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But you're repeating yourself. I'd tell you the same thing as below: quality is not quantity; the two words have often been opposed in many fields...It's been even often told that things in poor quantity are things of good quality...I don't see why the two parameters would be confused in a-m-v.org...
Indeed, i think creators shouldn't be the only one to rate the usefulness of a review; other visitors should also be allowed to do so (but that should b something very...consequent, "heavy" to settle...
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xanthrax> lord of evil, you'd deserve to be replied with a "so dou ai"-avatar...but, don't have any webspace, so, can't answer you with hte propoer avatar...too bad. Hmm. anyways, let's get over with it;
as to the comment itself:
-sure thing is the title of the website is "a-m-v.org", not "reviews.com", that's true. However, i do think that reviews are something to care about, on a-m-v.org...they're part of the site, and i guess phade put it up without anyone asking for it, no?...reviews can give a new meaning to a video...it's a new "reading" of it...can be neat...i mean: it's like you're saying analysis of a book isn't worth anything, only the book is worth reading...oh, well...and anyways, everybody's entitled to an opinion...but once again, the point of the thread is not dealing with the "opinion you have of ppl who care about what the site give them feedback about: their 'work' (of writing or editing)".
I mean: you can say having feedback on a review isn't making any sense FOR YOU, but if the system of the site allows it, then, must be because someone else than me found it was important...
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And wouldn't you be so right! Indeed, the point, here, is neither to rename nor remove anything, but to MODIFY it...i wouldn't care much if it was renamed/removed though i wouldn't see the point.
Fine, that's for the best! Neither would i! My point is to know my own limits and improvements about communication, writing skills, and stuff...not to know if i'm SUPERIOR to other ppl and stuff...-i'm somewhat proud i can contribute the community [...] but i wouldn't claim superiority.
c'me on! get over with that "oh! look how big the ego of these ppl who care about opinions given about their review is big!"-thing!...
I've not began the thread to be "pointed by the finger".
If you can't get that i'm talking about the subject, please, ignore the topic, that's all!
-hum...
Hum right point...Being simple and [...] majority
But, still, if the only thing that matters, to have good review, is to pack up a comment page with words, i can say just anything, tell my life, or tell a series of insult to the amvmaker, and it wil still be estimated as smthg useful! do you think it's normal?!
In my opinion, lenght of review and and the fact that it's useful shouldn't be correlated at all...
I see indeed the fact that length is rewarded as the simplest way, for the commentor, to "get a good mark", or so....
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Well, true.A long review may not be great but [...] justification
But you're repeating yourself. I'd tell you the same thing as below: quality is not quantity; the two words have often been opposed in many fields...It's been even often told that things in poor quantity are things of good quality...I don't see why the two parameters would be confused in a-m-v.org...
Yeah, well..9_9...you may be right, maybe i belong to this minority...i'd be inclined to say [...] description
Who?!... Me?! I had someone in mind?!...9_9? you're just learning it to me...!if i'm among those you had in mind
Well, possible.creators rating is a horrible idea
Indeed, i think creators shouldn't be the only one to rate the usefulness of a review; other visitors should also be allowed to do so (but that should b something very...consequent, "heavy" to settle...
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In general,
The more words someone writes in an opinion, the more the video creator learns about what the opinionator thought about their video. Therefore, more words = the better your ability to improve next time = more usefullness!
However,
I once had a guy write me 1000-word flame that basically said "you suck and your video sucks". He even put in the AnimeMusicVideos.org flame form, which I can say right now was obviously not intended to help me improve next time. I wouldn't have considered the opinion helpful at all, but it was very long and must have taken a long time to write out. I actually think he shouldn't have wasted his time, since it got deleted in the end anyway...
But usually if someone writes a long opinion, it's because they're trying to be helpful.
People have different styles of writing opinions, and that's all up to them. It's good to have the "useful commentators" scores because it encourages people to write longer reviews. As a video creator, I greatly appreciate long reviews because 1)it makes me feel special that someone took the time to write a long, thoughtful opinion, and 2)I learn more from them. That's why I also try to write long reviews for other people.
What's wrong with writing long opinions?
The more words someone writes in an opinion, the more the video creator learns about what the opinionator thought about their video. Therefore, more words = the better your ability to improve next time = more usefullness!
However,
I once had a guy write me 1000-word flame that basically said "you suck and your video sucks". He even put in the AnimeMusicVideos.org flame form, which I can say right now was obviously not intended to help me improve next time. I wouldn't have considered the opinion helpful at all, but it was very long and must have taken a long time to write out. I actually think he shouldn't have wasted his time, since it got deleted in the end anyway...
But usually if someone writes a long opinion, it's because they're trying to be helpful.
People have different styles of writing opinions, and that's all up to them. It's good to have the "useful commentators" scores because it encourages people to write longer reviews. As a video creator, I greatly appreciate long reviews because 1)it makes me feel special that someone took the time to write a long, thoughtful opinion, and 2)I learn more from them. That's why I also try to write long reviews for other people.
What's wrong with writing long opinions?
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I'm gonna have to agree with Sierra Lorna here. In general the longer an opinion is, the more USEFUL it is to the creator in that it implies that the writer of the review is willing to go into greater detail. Granted, every now and then you'll find a "useful" opinion to be bullshit, but I still think that that instance is rather infrequent (or at least it has been for me).
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