The noobs

[Castor Troy]

That was pretty funny. Haha.. I know 99% of my friends hates my stuff and it takes 'no skill' hope no one else has to deal with that because it gets discouraging.

I said this before, but your "friends" still suck.

Hang out with us more, we're better people.

[Sephirothskr]

I like to encourage people to get into this hobby. Some people I talk to are just afraid of.. well. Sucking. And I guess that's understandable, most of our first ones were garbage. Unless you're some kind of graduate from FSU with a masters in film, probably won't make anything too great. ALL HAIL THE GREATEST HOBBY SINCE ROCK COLLECTING.

[lloyd9988]

Who cares, if people enjoy it enough they'll keep making amvs even if they won't get much attention or love or whatev.
There's quite a few first AMVs I enjoy. I doubt you need to be super technically adept in order to make a decent first amv.

This.

I see a sense of entitlement in a lot of (usually younger) folks - this sorta pervasive idea that you can walk into a community and expect to be immediately accepted and welcomed without having contributed anything of your own or that you immediately should start with some recognition or right to leniency or outright praise for trying. Now, there's nothing wrong with people who want to lavish everyone they meet with that sort of attention, that's just the way that some people are, but to come in expecting to be treated that way in any community is foolish. Respect and recognition are things you earn. Nobody has a right to be a jerk to new people for being new, but no new person should have an expectation to be treated with anything more than bland indifference. This "gold star for effort" mentality is really warping expectations.

This.

And to answer your question, just watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MgBikgcWnY

[irriadin]

I remember when I made my first AMV and it went largely unnoticed here... that propelled me to spend even more time and effort on my second video.

I think sometimes people are too easily discouraged and expect to be AMZNGAWSM!!! right out of the gate. It rarely works that way!

[8bit_samurai]

It probably depends on which community you start with and/or more familiar with and how motivated you are to start editing.

When I first joined the Org I never even knew of the forums and the community, I was just looking for some specific AMVs. When I did discover the forums and subsequently #AMV, I thought this place was pretty awesome (though to be fair, I probably would've thought that with any other online community if I had joined them instead, since I had a lot of free time back then). Then I decided to try and make one, because by that time I saw some pretty crappy ones and thought that I can do better, plus I had a lot of free time and not much else to do.

Could I have improved my editing skills and become a better editor? Perhaps, but around the time of my last AMV I started to have other stuff to do and editing then took a back seat, then a seat behind that, then a lil more further away, etc. I'm still on the forums because the people here are awesome, or at the very least interesting. Though due to a drop in activity in the Org, I guess, I just been mostly lurking nowadays.

[Sephirothskr]

I remember when I made my first AMV and it went largely unnoticed here... that propelled me to spend even more time and effort on my second video.

I think sometimes people are too easily discouraged and expect to be AMZNGAWSM!!! right out of the gate. It rarely works that way!

It was always the drive to get noticed that made me work harder too. And... By now, I have somewhat of a name for myself. Albeit small, better 50 people to see your work than 0 people. You know?

[Gene Starwind 21122]

I agree with some of the others here. It is the attitude of the people online that discourage other editors.

It is also the confidence in the editors when they first don't succeed in editing. Sorry your first AMV is not going to win major awards after awards on your first try. You probably willn't get a hundreds of thousands of youtube hits in your first year.

It's the attitude of wanting to be rewarded right away.

Still the fact being said that some editors like to put down other editors and not help them, doesn't help either.

This is suppose to be a hobby that we all enjoy. Sharing in stuff that we love. Anime and Music coming together as one.

Gene Starwind 21122

[lloyd9988]

I think we worry too much about the "fame" and "fortune... if there is any" that we forget why we make AMVs in the first place.

Because we love what we're making.

If you don't love what you make, don't make it because you won't enjoy the process of doing it and, chances are, you won't like the final outcome either.

But if the thought of: "This AMV is gonna be awesome, I can't wait to finish this!" is hitting your mind over and over again as your editing your amv, or "You know, this isn't looking too bad" is also hitting your mind, then, chances are, you will love what you make. Granted, Nostromo or Qwaqa probably already made an amv that is much better, but making something that you like is what matters.

Why? Because you want to make that amv that you like. You're willing to search endlessly for clips to fit that perfect scene or find something close to it.

We may just need to accept that a majority of us are just not going to be famous in the amv community. But, if you like what you're making, than who cares?! You should edit what you want to edit.

Take BakaViking, for example. No one knew who she was and her video: "Its raining Bleach Men" was hilarious, and it was her first vid. She just had fun with it and, turns out, everyone in the community loved it. There are other AMV editors that started out and made some crazy good amvs, but rarely ever talked at all so no one really knows them.

So, personally, no I don't think a barrier exists between a 'good amv editor' and a bad one. I think it all comes down to whether you like what you are doing or you don't. And, if you want to make something better, you are willing to search for help.

[dragontamer5788]

AMVs are inherently social and non-competitive. Its like Golf or Bowling, the core attribute of the event is social. You don't play Golf to beat other golfers, you play golf because you like walking around in the outdoors in a giant garden. Probably while drinking some beer if you're old enough.

The competition element is there to glorify and attract a crowd. People like watching competition, and hearing the word "contest", many people will come to watch the event. But the individuals who participate often aren't trying to "beat" each other. Compare the non-competitive sport Golf to a competitive one... like Boxing or MMA. Two enter a ring, only one comes out the winner. Or, compare the online AMV community to a competitive one like League of Legends or the fighting game community.

Not that I'm taking the "competitive AMVers" as artificial or anything. Hardcore Golfers exist, like Tiger Woods. Similarly, hardcore competitive AMVers exist. But they don't have an overbearing toxic anti-noob effect that you see in other communities (League of Legends in particular)

[Sephirothskr]

AMVs are inherently social and non-competitive. Its like Golf or Bowling, the core attribute of the event is social. You don't play Golf to beat other golfers, you play golf because you like walking around in the outdoors in a giant garden. Probably while drinking some beer if you're old enough.

The competition element is there to glorify and attract a crowd. People like watching competition, and hearing the word "contest", many people will come to watch the event. But the individuals who participate often aren't trying to "beat" each other. Compare the non-competitive sport Golf to a competitive one... like Boxing or MMA. Two enter a ring, only one comes out the winner. Or, compare the online AMV community to a competitive one like League of Legends or the fighting game community.

Not that I'm taking the "competitive AMVers" as artificial or anything. Hardcore Golfers exist, like Tiger Woods. Similarly, hardcore competitive AMVers exist. But they don't have an overbearing toxic anti-noob effect that you see in other communities (League of Legends in particular)

I suppose so. I do enjoy helping people that have no clue what they're doing though. It fills me with fulfillment knowing I helped someone