Actual human cloning, folks

Pie Row Maniac · Post by **Pie Row Maniac** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:58 pm

Human Cloning

Anybody else think that mankind's getting a little too big for it's britches?

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:06 pm

I'd rather wait until some non-loony, non-ugly research group confirms this.

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:13 pm

same here. Putting religous, fanatical, and cloning breakthrough in the same sentence makes me very very skeptical. I'll wait for the proof before I believe it.

Pie Row Maniac · Post by **Pie Row Maniac** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:19 pm

I find it funny/odd that a religious group of all people decided to make a clone.

The Non-Professional · Post by **The Non-Professional** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:25 pm

Pie Row Maniac wrote:I find it funny/odd that a religious group of all people decided to make a clone.

I think there religious in some other meaning...

Roke · Post by **Roke** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:31 pm

Not only that, but the guy who leads these nutballs keeps insulting religions that aren't his. This guy is as bas as a Scientologist. He believes that all life on earth was sparked from aliens cloning, genetically altering, and then placing us here 25,000 years ago!

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:31 pm

"Clonaid" sounds like something you'd take for a cold....

Very odd people.

If they think cloing is a step towards inmmortality they have failed to note one important fact. Though someone may have the same genes as you (identical twins are good example) they are not the same person and have their own life. Immortality through reproduction has been going on since the first cell split, as you are passing on you genes one way or another.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:35 pm

"Religious" doesn't mean just conservative Christians. It goes from Christianity to Buddhism to Islam to Wicca to Satanism to New Age pussiness to Raelianism to Scientology (which is an obvious scam) to Indian snake worship, etcetera. And all are different, all claim some great, delayed reward for following it, all claim to be a path to salvation, and that is why I choose to not follow any of it. Still interesting to think about, though.

From the article:

"The announcement was met with skepticism and concern, since other cloned mammals have had serious birth defects or developed health problems later. But in an interview with CNN, Rael dismissed concerns about health problems in cloned animals, saying "I have no doubt the child will be perfectly healthy."

"Everybody in the world now is crazy about what if the child has a problem. What if? I say, what if the child is perfectly healthy and beautiful? I think opponents to cloning are more afraid of that than of the faults," he said."

No, the problems are:
1. This guy is a loony cult leader, not a scientist.
2. It's less about the child's health, even, and more that were tampering with a human being using technology and science that we do not fully understand the ramifications and problems of.
3. We have not explored the social aspects of clones. Are they truly human? Should we register them? Can killing a clone be considered the same as killing the original human? What about the potential of creating hierarchies of clones, keeping the same leader in pretty much constant power?
4. And finally, regarding the child - considering that other cloned mammals have had problems, who is to say that humans, who are not that far removed from other creatures, will be exempt from these health problems? They think they have given birth to a messiah - have they really given birth to an invalid?

Anyhow, until some independent verification is given, I'll remain skeptical.

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:42 pm

I think is just a really successful promotional campaign for their religious nuttiness.

Pie Row Maniac · Post by **Pie Row Maniac** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:48 pm

If they have somehow made a clone, and I'm not saying they have...
then we are all in very deep shit.

Who honestly would like some wack-job of a cult running around with the ability to clone human beings? I sure as hell don't