What happened to fun?

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Re: What happened to fun?

Post by CodeZTM » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:13 am

gotegenks wrote:F is for Friends who do stuff together.
U is for You and me.
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dont look like they go together :amv:
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Re: What happened to fun?

Post by Kitsuner » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:37 am

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Re: What happened to fun?

Post by Kionon » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:45 am

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Re: What happened to fun?

Post by Minimoto » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:40 am

Fun? I still enjoy it otherwise I wouldn't sit at my computer and stare at a screen and hurt my eyes for hours. If you don't have fun doing a hobby then switch to something else. Call Of Duty is a man's best time killer.
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Re: What happened to fun?

Post by macchinainterna » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:14 am

How could I ever take a Speed Racer video seriously? Of course I do this for fun! :P
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Re: What happened to fun?

Post by LittleAtari » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:57 am

Vivaldi wrote:I believe after you reach a certain level of involvement in the hobby, you start to see amvs as srs business because you witness the depth and breadth of film editing and design as a medium, and try to apply that realization to amvs. You see how deep the rabbit hole goes, and try to give all that creative potential to the only outlet we know.


Then, after a certain threshold, we start applying ourselves to OC, or the bigger picture, and amvs become fun again.
The funny part is a lot of people who end up getting caught up in the technical or design aspects end up not producing videos so much anymore. It comes from setting the bar too high in effort to make a video that's up to your new found standards, but these higher standards become counter productive when you realize how little you're putting into practice. At least, that's what happened with me. You can't completely learn mistakes out of your creative process and in the end, you're better off producing something with errors rather than producing nothing because it's somehow 'not right' or up to your own standards.

I'm subscribed to a lot of people on youtube who just edit for heck of it. They release a dozen videos a year and while at times, they are not up to 'standards,' you can see more creativity and experimentation in their work than you would in the person that is an encyclopedia of FX and editing knowledge because they're actually out there DOING SOMETHING. They may not have the technical understanding to explain the montage or design theory behind their work, but because they've gotten all that practice in, they're able to just do it and have more fun in the process because they're not getting caught up in the technical side of things.

But let's be real for a second, many of us, including myself, like the standards we set for ourselves. We like to get critiqued for our work and think that we do really is serious business. So it's hard for some of us to sit back and just do 'whatever.' What I'm trying to do with myself is find a balance between the two. I do think a lot of the technical aspects do help me with my work, but I have to acknowledge at some point that the knowledge for stuff like this is unlimited and that I wont be able to make up for my flaws in the technical side of things. I've resolved to flat out, just make videos. The technical stuff that I know will help me make them better but I wont get caught up in them that I wont finish a video because it's just not up to my own standards. This is a creative process in which you learn by doing. If you stop half way, you've missed out on half the knowledge. Push yourself to get work done because doing so will help you in finding solutions to the very problems that get you stuck. You cant think bad decisions out of your system.

I'll end with something a friend told me that I think a lot of people can learn from:
There was a point where I felt I couldn't come up with an idea that was worth spending huge amounts of time and effort on, or that I couldn't make an animation that would do justice to a great idea. Ultimately I've come to the conclusion that what's important is to *make things*, and not to worry about the outcome. I can't 'think' bad decisions out of my system, I have to actually make the bad decisions in order to learn. And there's a lot to learn, from storytelling to continuity, shape design and readable silhouettes, gestalt and contrast, value and colour composition, principles of animation, etc. I can't get any of this right until I've got it wrong a few times
Maybe it's just me who is like this with their work? but I thought it'd be nice to share with everyone else just in case it could help them.

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Re: What happened to fun?

Post by Beowulf » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:03 am

Yeah yeah yeah its just a hobby, its all fun, lighten up, wtfever.

Its very rare that a masterpiece just effortlessly flows through you like the wings of grace. Most of the time its the product of blood sweat and tears. Unless you're consummately brilliant, and your "I'm having fun" is equivalent to the normal world's Mona Lisa, then stop whining and put the time in.

/grumpy.

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Re: What happened to fun?

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:18 am

LittleAtari wrote: How dare you put effort and time into your work! You're making everyone else look bad.
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Re: What happened to fun?

Post by EvaFan » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:33 am

LittleAtari wrote:they're able to just do it and have more fun in the process because they're not getting caught up in the technical side of things.
Keep in mind I'm not trying to demonize the tube or its community, I'm just speaking from my experience with it.

That and the fact they have tons of selfless people (mostly youngsters) who just say its the next best amv they've ever made or like it and can't wait to see their next vid. They typically don't say what they really think or express how they really felt about it. Don't get me wrong though it's fine if that's what they truly think but I would wager most of those people just put that cause their friends or caught up in the moment or just go with the flow of comments. Of course that happens here too but its minimal in comparison. Bad critique isn't good for motivation especially when there's more of it or its all that is said, hearing that from a friend can be even worse.

I guess my point is on the tube you will get alot more motivation to edit and most if not all of your (technical) flaws ignored because most of the other people there don't know any better or care as much to hold the editor accountable for them. Here you will get alot more motivation to improve and you get people who are more open with their true thoughts and aren't afraid of speaking their minds. Improving doesn't take the fun out of it and neither does spending more time and effort on the technical aspects. To me that just sounds like an excuse.
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Re: What happened to fun?

Post by macchinainterna » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:46 am

Beowulf wrote:Yeah yeah yeah its just a hobby, its all fun, lighten up, wtfever.

Its very rare that a masterpiece just effortlessly flows through you like the wings of grace. Most of the time its the product of blood sweat and tears. Unless you're consummately brilliant, and your "I'm having fun" is equivalent to the normal world's Mona Lisa, then stop whining and put the time in.

/grumpy.
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