AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Post by Panky » Tue May 18, 2010 4:15 pm

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seasons wrote:Given a long enough course of time, almost every message board will eventually shift its focus from the subject it was founded on to the actual members themselves. With my join date being what it is -- although I've lurked since 2002 -- there's no post I can make that won't be greeted by a certain amount of condescension or eye-rolling by the "core" members here. From the outside, it looks like everyone who's been here since 2006 or so has just circled the wagons. I'm not a "Youtube editor" and didn't discover AMVs there, but I can see how it's probably just more convenient to lump everyone who's joined after a certain date into that category.
I joined after 2006 (or at least actively, that is) and don't feel outlawed, and I think I could point out a few more people - most of them are just not willing to go through some critics, I'd say (or they are just pretentious with their "check my vid pls kthxbye").

One of my first posts ever was a video announcement properly entered into catalog where I stated it's new, that I hope for some critique and told this in a nice way - and because of this (the people wrote it) it got fair critique, some views and I slowly came into terms with community AFTER which I came to know inner jokes and such. There are enough kind people willing to check out your video and accept you into community - if you behave properly and you're not some kind of 1337 kid just throwing a single boochsack link.
I think like this. I haven't seen any kind of condescendence towards me when I had posted in the AMV Announcements board for first time, from what I recall. And if it did, it wasn't because I was new, but because I did/wrote something wrong. Same thing with other people, I've yet to see anyone ignoring someone only because of the user's age in the forum: that would make anyone look dumb enough.
If it's about not getting attention because you just registered, I guess it's something that depends. There are editors that know other editors and are bound to watch their videos, or comment their threads. It's not about ignoring someone; but having enough trust just to drop out a comment/joke or whatever in the other guy's thread. You can rest assured that if people like the source and music, and have something to comment, they will.
And about the BD vids and mostly MEP ones, yeah. Considering the amount of people involved and importance, it's pretty hard to keep others threads up.
Heck, it would even be better to up first in the list the threads with less responses, and that aren't closed due to inactivity yet, at least that would make it fair for everybody. Remember that watching isn't the same that commenting, so even if they're good they're going down; that's the way the boards goes.
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Post by gotegenks » Tue May 18, 2010 5:39 pm

The life of a newfag (based on the novel based on the truestory based on the life of "gotegenks")

FK YA, ANIME.
FK YA, YOUTUBE.
whaa? VIDEO?!@ HAO DO MAKE!? (wmm)
FK YA, EDITING
FK YA, UPLOAD
...WHAA/!@!? COOL EFFECTS VIDDEO? HAO DO MAKE? (sonyvegas)
FK YA, SONY VEGAS
FK YA, EFFECTS
FK YA, COMPLIMENTS
FK YA, FANS
FK YA, LIFE IS GOOD
(year goes by)
acquaintance : hey dickwad, youtube sucks A-M-V.ORG is BEEEETTERR
me : ...you...tube...
acquaintance : A-M-V.ORG~~!@~!
me : ...YOU...T-TUUUUBE....
acquaintance : YUUUUUUTUBE SUCKS, IT REALLY REALLY SUCKS, YUUUUUUTUUBE SUCKS, IT REALLY REALLY SUUUUUUUUUCKS!

...

FK YA PEER PRESSURE ;~; -newmember-

FXoverlayphotoshopnewfgtnarutoLPeditors are much more attracted to youtube where there are at least a billion more that are exactly the same (some with tons of undeserved recognition) and i love me some effects, naruto, and LP, but there's a specific editor in mind that encompasses 70% of editors on yt and that means that nearly every newcomer saw one of these before they even tried a hand at editing (might have motivated em to start) so they'll go to youtube, do their thing, and if they ever even find out about the Org, they hate us for frowning upon fx and overused sources,

In fact, i knew about this place for almost a year before i made an account, and then a lot more months before i posted my first video, or my first comment. This community is really intimidating because of elitist fags such as myself, but that makes it so much more rewarding when you finally earn a little respect around here.

in other words...

youtube = newfags
a-m-v.org = oldfags
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Post by competitionbros » Tue May 18, 2010 7:32 pm

gotegenks wrote:The life of a newfag (based on the novel based on the truestory based on the life of "gotegenks")

FK YA, ANIME.
FK YA, YOUTUBE.
whaa? VIDEO?!@ HAO DO MAKE!? (wmm)
FK YA, EDITING
FK YA, UPLOAD
...WHAA/!@!? COOL EFFECTS VIDDEO? HAO DO MAKE? (sonyvegas)
FK YA, SONY VEGAS
FK YA, EFFECTS
FK YA, COMPLIMENTS
FK YA, FANS
FK YA, LIFE IS GOOD
(year goes by)
acquaintance : hey dickwad, youtube sucks A-M-V.ORG is BEEEETTERR
me : ...you...tube...
acquaintance : A-M-V.ORG~~!@~!
me : ...YOU...T-TUUUUBE....
acquaintance : YUUUUUUTUBE SUCKS, IT REALLY REALLY SUCKS, YUUUUUUTUUBE SUCKS, IT REALLY REALLY SUUUUUUUUUCKS!

...

FK YA PEER PRESSURE ;~; -newmember-

FXoverlayphotoshopnewfgtnarutoLPeditors are much more attracted to youtube where there are at least a billion more that are exactly the same (some with tons of undeserved recognition) and i love me some effects, naruto, and LP, but there's a specific editor in mind that encompasses 70% of editors on yt and that means that nearly every newcomer saw one of these before they even tried a hand at editing (might have motivated em to start) so they'll go to youtube, do their thing, and if they ever even find out about the Org, they hate us for frowning upon fx and overused sources,

In fact, i knew about this place for almost a year before i made an account, and then a lot more months before i posted my first video, or my first comment. This community is really intimidating because of elitist fags such as myself, but that makes it so much more rewarding when you finally earn a little respect around here.

in other words...

youtube = newfags
a-m-v.org = oldfags


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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Post by JaddziaDax » Wed May 19, 2010 11:43 am

The org has had it's intimidation factor since long before this year :P

I knew about the org for a few years before I started out in 2004. I wouldn't go on the forums until 2005 (now I'm the top poster). However, I rarely, if ever, wander into other parts of the org, except the donator's forum and site feedback, anymore because I really just don't care (JaddziaDax for most helpful). I don't think I was ever treated like a newb, however I'd established myself a bit (journals?), made some friends, and lurked to see how to interact before I started posting on the forums.

If your main concern is that newbs don't get the same feedback as established people, a lot of that is due to friends commenting on friend's videos. Established people usually have made a few friends, and all it really takes is becoming part of the community and making friends to get more and more feedback. Not to mention how many times Dragon/Roy has whored his announcement link to me on AIM. Making a crazy/off the wall AMV helps too.

If constructive criticism is what you are looking for the opinion exchange board will probably get you more opinions than just announcing your video and hoping for feedback O:

I didn't have the youtube link problem because youtube didn't exist back then. I only found out about youtube because someone else uploaded my videos there and I was getting emails from people viewing there. I remember suggesting the site to people who wanted to put amvs on their myspace profile.

Ah, birthday mep vids... (as far as I'm concerned) they started out as a huge in-joke between Rina, me and Scob and only blew up from there :aimkissyface: There's no real sense of elitism behind them, just this formula.. Make crappy vid making fun of the birthday boy/girl, upload. Just when someone's b-day would come up the more friends the person had made, the more people wanted to join the "project". People don't make them crappy enough anymore :/

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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Post by EvaFan » Wed May 19, 2010 12:01 pm

Well comparably speaking to how it was some odd years ago it's actually gotten alot better/friendlier here IMO (In before godix post). Just don't get sucked into the whole social status business and create/discuss/enjoy amvs, thats what the site was created for.

Actually I think people have gotten alot better with criticism too. It was pretty bad here at times but lately we've actually seen people try being simple and clean about videos that had alot of flaws. The problem is usually not whats said but the person that it's being said too. Easy example: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/forum/v ... 00&start=0

In the past that thread would have been trolled hard just for its name after viewing the video or even without viewing it. Anyway, that's just my 2cents.
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Post by outlawed » Wed May 19, 2010 2:17 pm

Kionon wrote:I am not sure I follow your historical references. I can't honestly say anything about EK or Joe C. EK and I have been friends for years, and have three connections, so I saw quite a bit of her outside of AMVs (she used to work the next desk over from my best friend, I've known Brett for years, and I know EK through AMVs, all in all, a lot of contact would probably have been had, even if neither one of us had anything to do with AMVs). I can talk to studio sites, nabiki irc, and the AMV ML. And I can talk about the early days of the org. But I am told the org hit its peak maturity in 2003-2004, years I was pretty much AWOL.
One could probably argue for the established community at 2004/2005. The purpose of linking to those old threads was to provide some comparison to the concept of the ~5 year cycle of a new generation of editors that I posted. Why didn't EK or Joe C really stick around during those years of the org? While they were certainly on their way out of the hobby you can argue they were still actively making videos at that time. The org was the fresh blood in late 2000/ early 2001. My take on it when the site came around was that it was basically a schism from the existing AMV ML elitists.

Peak of activity or # of posts does not equal peak of established community. I'm looking at the org from a social aspect like a guild in a mmo. It is defined by its members and chief among that is what we would call the core members, those who are most actively involved on these forums and basically define the attitude and atmosphere. There is a difference between being a part of a social community and being a member that occasionally uses the site. When the donut arrived I took years before I bothered to post a single video for download. Hell the only way my videos were originally distributed was a single upload to Mdenny/Waldo ftp and I think once to abma on usenet. In my early days I was certainly the complete anti-thesis of this site because everyone was about opinions being made for videos and I would have been a guy to argue removing them from the site along with not ever holding the VCAs because it was just a popularity contest (the fact that years later we have an alternate VCA only proves there were others with my position on that).

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Kionon wrote:Otherwise we might as well just say fuck it and leave now.
See the joke I made in http://www.animemusicvideos.org/forum/v ... 97#p854797
outlawed wrote:Kevin and Joe were both leaders. They got the hell out of AMVs. We could all learn much from this.
You know the old saying: In all good humor there is truth =p. At any rate I do believe this site and its community hold great value. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten involved in ACen contests and directed our efforts towards securing this site's community as its core entrants. My original post was merely to explain what I see as trends and my take on why there is a lack of new blood. I think ultimately it's like the situation before. There needs to be a radical shake-up like when this site was first created. I can't see anything else redefining the site's community. You can't just mass bolster the existing community from other sources it will not work. There is a social dynamic involved here that has to be accounted for to add members or you go the other route and burn it to the ground and start over. I highly doubt there are many interested in burning it to the ground. This is all my opinion. You could easily argue against this line of thought. Bottom line this is just how I see it.

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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Wed May 19, 2010 5:44 pm

outlawed wrote:Peak of activity or # of posts does not equal peak of established community. I'm looking at the org from a social aspect like a guild in a mmo. It is defined by its members and chief among that is what we would call the core members, those who are most actively involved on these forums and basically define the attitude and atmosphere. There is a difference between being a part of a social community and being a member that occasionally uses the site.
It's difficult to really tell where everyone lies in that spectrum. I post maybe 5 times a week if i'm lucky, more if i'm feeling talkative (though certainly not enough to keep my top-20 post count for that much longer) but Im here 30+ times a week, reading threads. There are probably quite a few long time lurkers sick of posting on the same beaten to death topics over and over again. That's why we have cycles of participation - we run out of things to talk about and get burned out.
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Post by Knowname » Wed May 19, 2010 10:05 pm

Others just like to see themselves talk :)
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Post by Kionon » Thu May 20, 2010 5:34 am

2003-2006 represent the Navy years for me, and as such I missed a lot of from those years, even more 2003-2004. In 2005, I was on the way out and started picking it up again. Halfway through 2006, I came back because I had left the Navy, graduated, and began editing professionally again.

I probably missed a lot. I honestly don't know what it would take to shake up the website.

Eventually I may get busy or bored. If I go to grad school, I will likely edit less, and forum surf less. If I am picked up for commissioning with the Navy, you can pretty much expect me to stop editing for long stretches. I will be allowed very little contact during my time as officer candidate, and let's face it, on deployment, internet is access is flakey at best.

I predict that in the next year or two I will do something, in Japan or otherwise, that will necessitate a distinct lack of participation.
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Post by Nya-chan Production » Thu May 20, 2010 5:44 am

Kionon wrote:I predict that in the next year or two I will do something, in Japan or otherwise, that will necessitate a distinct lack of participation.
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