"The wording of this was silly because I don't think the AMV 'world' is monolithic/homogenous enough to have one single leader who guides absolutely everyone."
Was that obvious enough for you? Sheez.
Kalium wrote:I still appreciate, say, this video.
MCWagner wrote:Then what are the old linear vids?
Beowulf wrote:We haven't had a definitive video since Euphoria, and before that, Shameless Rock Video. These are the kinds of things that can appeal to everyone by setting the bar higher and innovating new and creative ways of doing things most of us take for granted.
Beowulf wrote:The Top 10 is trash. People have always said that Top 10 sucks (mostly based on teenage anti establishment sentiment I imagine), but its truely goten ridiculous in the last 2 years. Naruto's World? Shounen Bushidou? Naruto's Technique Beat? These are not the kind of groundbreaking videos we had a couple years ago.
Beowulf wrote:I think now that this community has pretty much caught up with technology, people's ideas are their limiting force as apposed to their software. It definitely seems that way since we all see the same After Effects glow plugins, the same still image masking, the same piano keys, the same effects, the same everything.
Beowulf wrote:We need people more focused on expressing unique ideas, and less people focused on making "correct videos".
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Fluxmeister wrote:Beowulf wrote:We need people more focused on expressing unique ideas, and less people focused on making "correct videos".
What we need is for people to stop trying to make videos to meet some retarded set of expectations.
What we need is for people to actually make things they enjoy, not just things to win awards and/or gain popularity.
Kalium wrote:The videos that become popular aren't usually the ones that pioneer something new. They are the ones that pefect it, which is not the same at all. It is the rarest of rare videos that both does something completely new and does it perfectly at the same time.
Fluxmeister wrote:Your own video Dead To the World is an example of you wanting to express yourself. If you made it with the intention of outdoing or earning bragging rights, congratulations you wasted a lot of time on something you don't truly believe in.
Fluxmeister wrote:I believe we don't need anything in the way of leadership. I would prefer a community of admiration and respect for everyone's works as opposed to one where people say "oh your video isn't super-popular-video-x so shut up until one of your videos is more popular than it."
Fluxmeister wrote:Does saying the top 10% sucks ever help... at all? This isn't politics, it's not like your opinion that some band sucks will actually affect the fans who like it.
Fluxmeister wrote:Look how creative an anime music video editor is... you combine other people's works together, cut them up, slap some filters and/or effects on... and redeliver the product.
Fluxmeister wrote:I will even change the scene on a beat, which as we know is the most original concept ever.

MCWagner wrote:It seems less like a leader (or an ideal video, etc.) is needed, than a better sense of community. With the violent expansion of the community over the last five years or so, everything seems to have gotten too big and diffuse. I talk to the old-timers at conventions who have drifted out, and almost universally they say "oh, I haven't been back to the org in months... I just don't have the time anymore." The hobby is so damn big, it seems like casual involvement isn't an option any more... and I think that's where the best inspiration comes from.
1stAgent wrote:1) If the Next Big Thing does come, it will be truly that- something so far ahead of us that none of us can picture it.
8) Three of ACen's contest winners would have fallen under the panelist's "How Not To Make An AMV" gripes.
MCWagner wrote:AMVs have never had a "leader" in any real form. People talk about Joe Croasdaile or Kevin Caldwell like they were at the head of some kind of organization, but they never were. Joe was always too much of an egotist and kept all his styles to himself, Kevin drifted around like a phantom, hardly ever posting on the earliest boards or meeting many of us before just disappearing.
InGoW wrote:Fluxy I know that your post was addressed directly to Beo and I hope that you won't feel like being attacked but there are some things that I feel I just need to mention. No offense intended really, but there are just some parts of your post that made me think a lot.
Fluxmeister wrote:Your own video Dead To the World is an example of you wanting to express yourself. If you made it with the intention of outdoing or earning bragging rights, congratulations you wasted a lot of time on something you don't truly believe in.Fortunately I do not believe that is the case.
InGoW wrote:And what do you think comes closer to this kind of vision? What Beo is striving for or where we're currently at? What we're currently at is exactly what you don't seem to want to have. Nobody wants to have some kind of an AMV leader that tells everyone what to create and what not but if I look at the mass of AMVs that are getting released where I always see the same effects, the same songs used, the same animes used and the same ways of synching it just all comes down to the one resolution that a lot of people don't really act freely as in express themselves and their real own styles of editing. Instead, it's just a lot of copying things over and over again. Not that this is something new or wrong, it's just that we can't move on to any next step (as people already mentioned this is a normal process in any kind of hobby or art form). I mean, over the course of history there have always been people that didn't want to be freed from anything because they didn't feel oppressed.
InGoW wrote:A community without communication ain't no community. If Beo thinks that the Top 10 sucks he should have the freedom of speech to say it and to denounce the things that he doesn't like. Mostly what you're saying in your post is that art lies in the eye of the beholder but I just don't get why you're going for a "Stop trying to force things on people" statement, because I don't see any force coming from Beo. I see this more like a good political speech to underline what you or your party stands for, of course there needs to be some emotion and force behind your voice but it's not like all of those that are on Beos side including me are forced in any way to agree. Or that we are trying to force people, it's more like if your country would be going to ruins or in a bad political direction, would you just stand by and watch? Since you can't change what people want to do anyway? So yeah as you can see I do think that this can be compared a lot to politics as well as other hobbies such as sports and the real life in general.
Fluxmeister wrote:Look how creative an anime music video editor is... you combine other people's works together, cut them up, slap some filters and/or effects on... and redeliver the product.
InGoW wrote:I think that this is one of the main points. None of us could possibly draw any new footage or do real original animation, an entire studio is needed for this kind of thing. So about every member of the AMV community has come to the conclusion that this is just some fun hobby with not much of a great background behind it. The reality I say is that we have two of the most powerful tools in our hands to express ourselves. We got music and imaginery. We have the possibilites to choose from a whole bunch of series the exact one we want to use, and we can choose from an unlimited amount of music. Actually I think that you can express yourself faster, cheaper and with less effort through AMVs than through doing your own movies. So why not try it? I mean I rarely see AMVs having topics about AIDS, suicide, depressions, world hunger or peace on earth but it would be possible. You know, take some funny anime with some black guys in them and make it via effects a serious message about ghettos in america. It would be possible, and I'd love to see stuff like that because this must be some of the most mature things a teenager can possibly do without working for some company. Instead it's your own work, nobody helped you create it, you think it's more original what you do when you're working in an animation stuido? You get the drawing style from the one and only manga/anime artist to work with and start doing black and white frames together with 50 other people that do exactly the same stuff you do. I can't see that as being very original. Directing your own short movies is the only good alternative I could come up in my mind right now (mostly because of Machine's work).
Nightowl wrote:
Goddamnit, I created that playground from scratch! FUCK YOU GUYS!
-N
p.s. Look! It's Barranti!
fluxmeister wrote:Some stuff
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