At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Post by Bauzi » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:44 am

After having my first cut theoretics course I will probably give a shit about amv editor advices about editing. Seriously.

For movies there is an universal language to tell with cuts and sort of transitions a story. Everybody understands those things. In AMVs everybody has his own language which most people would call taste. It would be ridicolous to try to please every taste. So why even trying? My taste is enough and if you don't like it than go to... You get what I mean.
I think I read somewhere that 4/5 times the criticism people give you is right? Or something like that...
I believe that in every critism and rant is a valid core that can be considered to think about. A little bit...
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Post by Scintilla » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:32 am

Zarxrax wrote:If I want criticism, then I will ask someone for it while I'm making my video. Once my video is completed, that means I'm either satisfied with it, or I'm aware of certain issues but I don't really care about changing them. At that point I could care less about criticism, because its completely useless to me. I'm not going to go back and change a video after it's released, and any future videos that I do will probably be sufficiently different that your criticism isn't going to be useful for them.
I generally agree with this comment, except that I would say I *couldn't* care less. :P

I have been known to change videos after their first con appearances and before I release them online, but I don't think I've ever changed a video after release.
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Post by Begi » Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:50 pm

CrackTheSky wrote:This is actually less a question for everyone out there than it is an observation I've made over the past year or so.

Basically, there came a point in my life as an editor (around a year and a half ago, when I finished Hold On) where I no longer needed people telling me how to improve my AMVs. Don't misunderstand - I'm not saying I make perfect AMVs now, or anything so vain, but rather that I have my own standards and other people telling me what to ....
blah blah blah yea w.e

AMVs are all based on the editors artistic opinion (hopefully we all know that). they are based on your opinion on how something should be showed meaning that there is no right or wrong way to edit a video (not including video technics. such as a/v quality). i believe that no matter how long you've been editing, there is always room for someone to say you need sync here and you need sync there because it's based on their artistic opinion. just because you edit some video after a year and a half since you first started or w.e doesnt mean that you have to ignore anyone and everyone elses opinions. that leaves no room for improvement because the only reason you uploaded your AMV in the first place is so that everyone can enjoy it (and to show off :P). the fact that you edited a video that you feel is perfect doesnt mean that everyone has to view it with the same artistic view as you. if you were trying to avoid anyone saying anything about your video you shouldn't have uploaded it in the first place.

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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Post by CrackTheSky » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:03 pm

Begi wrote:AMVs are all based on the editors artistic opinion (hopefully we all know that). they are based on your opinion on how something should be showed meaning that there is no right or wrong way to edit a video (not including video technics. such as a/v quality). i believe that no matter how long you've been editing, there is always room for someone to say you need sync here and you need sync there because it's based on their artistic opinion. just because you edit some video after a year and a half since you first started or w.e doesnt mean that you have to ignore anyone and everyone elses opinions. that leaves no room for improvement because the only reason you uploaded your AMV in the first place is so that everyone can enjoy it (and to show off :P). the fact that you edited a video that you feel is perfect doesnt mean that everyone has to view it with the same artistic view as you. if you were trying to avoid anyone saying anything about your video you shouldn't have uploaded it in the first place.
I'm not going to address everything you said here, because I pretty much already have throughout the last six pages of this thread. The only thing I'm going to ask you about is this:
Begi wrote:that leaves no room for improvement
Define "improvement".

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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Post by Castor Troy » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:45 pm

You could say constructive criticism stops being useful when your ego grows so big, that you don't want to listen to anyone anymore.

However, if constructive criticism made you as egotistical as you are, then it was useful.
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Post by Castor Troy » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:48 pm

Castor Troy wrote:You could say constructive criticism stops being useful when your ego grows so big, you don't want to listen to anyone anymore.

However, if constructive criticism made you egotistical, then it was useful.
Fixed, so that I'm not implying anybody. :x
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Post by JudgeHolden » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:26 pm

Castor Troy wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:You could say constructive criticism stops being useful when your ego grows so big, you don't want to listen to anyone anymore.

However, if constructive criticism made you egotistical, then it was useful.
Fixed, so that I'm not implying anybody. :x
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But seriously, to me the most imortant time for crit is in the beta stage. I hate sending out betas and getting no feedback. I love when I do get feedback (good and bad) ... cuz I want to fix any "issues" before it hits the streets. Often, my threshold for something in the video being a problem is if more than one person says the exact same thing during a beta test (or I was thinking the same thing); and then I go back and look at that segment again .. and again, and again ... :amv:

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