At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

[downwithpants]

To the majority that are just having fun and don't care, or to those who just aren't looking to improve anymore? It's basically spitting in their corn flakes.

Then why would said majority pay attention to opinions, qcs, amv announcements feedback in the first place?

[Knowname]

thus you get the internet bully stereotype

I am simply disagreeing with him. I'm not calling him names, or making fun of him. I am giving my thought's on his post.

Not to him, by your actions you are showing everybody else how to be an internet bully.

You're justifying making fun of ppl as in why not? as in their behind the monitor glass, can't reach you, can't see you, can't touch or affect you so why not be that internet prick and make thoughtless demands. By bully I just don't mean the type that teases everybody (perhaps I don't mean that at all but since you brought it up). I mean the type that pushes their weight around and are generally all around pricks. Coming from the comment 'might as well make it a demand' makes it sound like you have no respect for the other person.

But hey, there is a time and place for demands, you can't be all pussied out and never tell anyone what to do. You do have responsibilities, if your in a position of authority (say over noobs... particularly ones who act up -_-) than you must throw your authority around. It is your responsibility, and personally I take pride from it ^_^. But just say 'oh might as well' just makes you sound like an internet bully. Sorry for the rant.

[BishounenStalker]

Then why would said majority pay attention to opinions, qcs, amv announcements feedback in the first place?

For the same reason any fanfic author pays attention to reviews; it's proof that someone actually watched it. That doesn't mean they care that some faceless anon thinks they needed more external synching or a brighter color palette or their aspect ratio is off. They just want to share their work and know that someone's bothering to look at it.

Hell, even I pay more attention to the hit count and star ratings now than to Quick Comments or even ops.

[SilkAMV]

thus you get the internet bully stereotype

No, this is internet bully stereotype. You are fucking dumb.

[Knowname]

wut BishounenStalker said.

logically what Bishounen said but... shit the whole conversation between BS and Reda is just stupid and arguing about logistics. But yeah if they don't wanna improve than they don't HAVE to improve. I just have a hard time believing one would NOT want to improve. But I take Tom the Fish as an example. He took all his videos away (and the reason Phade does not let videos be deleted anymore giving non-extraneous circumstances)! Since he took down his vids, he does not receive criticism and he probably felt this way. I suppose some ppl really DO want to not improve, BUT... call me naive but I don't see why anybody would go to that extreme. Seems very selfish to me. Then AGAIN probly seemed very selfish to him as well, maybe he wanted everybody to be able to d/l his videos, but just couldn't take the strain of having ppl op them (this was before qc's) and be left hanging forever more because he quit. Some ppl are like that, they won't quit until they wrap up their business in their previous location. Me? I'm like an ADD dog. I'll leave my bone lying there simply cuz the wind is blowing in an interesting direction . But anyway shit sucks, ppl are different oh well.

This brings me back to losing your enthusiasm but still showing the motivation.

(thanks fo clearing that up silk, btw)

[Sora no Honou 空の炎]

I try to give constructive criticism most of the time. I think that its fine to just post just some comment on a video that isn't particularly helpful to the editor, or help their skills. Thats fine. I do always think, however, that you are never a perfect anything. While I know there are plenty of people who dont care what other people say about their amvs, but I think that you should always try to be better at what you do. Just listen to how you can be better, and TRY to take it into consideration, but whether or not you actually do is up to you.

[-Reda-]

THIS THREAD HAS FINALLY CONVINCED ME! All constructive criticism is useless. If you have a problem with what you watched personally, keep that bullshit to yourself, no one wants to hear it. Silence! Do you not realize you are in the presence of editors who are to be considered experts? They blended the frames intentionally! It's the wrong aspect ratio because it's part of artistic expression! They made a boring as shit video because they wanted to, and it's more deep that way. Now shut up and write "THIS IS AWESOME!!!111one". Also subscribe, so you can see more of their awesome videos : )

[Nya-chan Production]

THIS IS AWESOME!!!111one

[BasharOfTheAges]

There's a categorical difference between those two aspects of video making. Technical acumen isn't a good litmus test for ability or dedication..

Why isn't it? (Given the existence of the guides and literally thousands of posts referring to them and linking them - there's your dedication, i.e. initial effort, right there.)

Because tech and editing are two different things. Some people like working with filters and so on to get the best possible quality they can get, some people find that very boring. Some people enjoy the artistic aspects of editing an AMV, others view it as an annoyance. They aren't the same thing at all really. Judging AMVs by tech is like saying Van Gogh was a horrible painter because he couldn't make his own paints/canvas from raw ingredients.

If you think about it the type of mentality that's drawn to one task usually is the type that hates the other. Scripting is for the stereotypical nerd who loves programing. Editing is for the stereotypical artist who spouts freeform poetry in coffee houses. Most people aren't at the extreme ends like that of course, but I'd bet if you polled editors you'd find most fall into either the 'like scripting/hate editing' or 'hate scripting/like editing' groups.

That being said, there is a certain minimum level of tech required before you're just a joke. I think it's when the tech is so bad that it would distract from the artistic aspects for the average viewer. Things like subtitles are distracting to most viewers. But I think the level of tech required to be distracting is surprisingly low. As far as I can tell, a lot of people don't notice wrong AR, bad compression, over-filtering, etc. Hell, my wife has trouble even telling if something is interlaced or not.

And you shouldn't focus only on tech in most cases. If there's a major tech flaw or two, there's a wall that stops a focused critique - cuts it off right at the knees from the get-go. It's a first impression thing. Feel free to never mention it if it's not an issue, but don't walk past it if it is. That's all I'm saying. If you can mange to get a good feel for something when the elements that build the foundation for the field are crumbly, then I suppose it's really not that bad.

Essentially,if the spelling and grammar so bad that you can't read the story, you aren't reviewing the story - you can't read it in the first place.

[nommay]

This thread is no longer useful, I'm out of here