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End of Day by Days

Post by kittymisha » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:23 am




Hi all, I'm new to making these and this is the second I've done. It was recommended in a comment that it would be beneficial for me to post it here and ask for some feedback, and so here I am. If anyone would be willing to take the time to watch and give some pointers it would be much appreciated. I am always open to constructive criticism.

Also, in another comment it was mentioned that I need to work on my timing. I was wondering if anyone could point out specific parts where it looks off. Perhaps, where in my mind I knew where I was going with it certain things look okay where they may not from a separate point of view (specifically, from what I'm thinking, there was only part of the song where I was intentionally trying to line up the mouth movements to the words, but it may look as though I was trying in other parts). There is one part that I have since noticed that is off, and I think I missed it because when checking it I was concentrating on a different part of the screen and never took in the whole thing.

I could just have no sense of rhythm too, though. ^_^

Also, as for the size of the video, I had reformatted it to load on yt and the song was blocked so I uploaded it here instead. I should have gone back to the original and reformatted it to make the file smaller but still be wide-screen before uploading it here.

Sorry for the length of this, and thank you so much for your time.

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Re: End of Day by Days

Post by Minimoto » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:59 am

Well... this is purely my opinion so you can simply ignore it if you find me offensive in any way shape or form. For the second AMV you have done, great job. I didn't start getting into the hang and making what I consider "good" AMVs until about the sixth one... Please go to my Youtub3 account Minimoto714 and check out my latest AMV, and I hope that it is good enough so that my words here are credited as to be said by a relatively able AMV editor.

First, timing wise, I think, for example, the beginning scene should be more to the "beat." Since this song has that piano at the beginning, I think it would be good to change scene for each of the notes. This would have a nice effect. Also, when she does her "na... na... na..." matching scenes to this timing would also be good.

More scene variety would be nice as well. The one where they are riding in the car after the first scene is quite long and could be shortened or cut more to the beat.

When you switch the scenes, from that car one to the old brown effect, a transition would be nice. Transitions are good to be put throughout the AMV.

When the Mao and Chinese girl fight began, I thought that it was cool how you sped it up. That went with the sped up beat of the music at that given moment. Kudos there ^o^

Starting from 1:52, that part where it does the old brown again, that part is very well done. When you flash the real Kaname with that whore, it has a emotional effect. Great timing as well so that part is a winner. Like my earlier comment though, after that a transition would be nice when going into that robot explosion scene.

So throughout the AMV the most pressing problems are some timing issues and the need of more transitions. If you have found this to be useless and mean or offensive, then please ignore it as I have stated beforehand. All of this has been said with the hope that it will aid future projects.
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Re: End of Day by Days

Post by kittymisha » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:52 am

Thank you so much for the advice! For the transitions, to be honest, I've been having a hard time trying to get the program to do what I want it to so I haven't really used them *sigh* One day I'll get the hang of the program and be able to work them in. I've been playing around with them a lot in an attempt to figure out how I can get what I want. The scenes where it flashed and transitioned in that video were all parts that actually existed in the show, not something I edited to add. I wish I could figure out how, but I'd swear by now I've played with everything and my program is just not playing nice with me.

I'm currently using Pinnacle Studio 12 Ultimate, you wouldn't happen to have any recommendations on a program where I could work better transitions, would you? That is probably the only thing I'm not liking about that program right now...

Again, thank you so much for taking the time, and I'll definitely take your advice and work on my timing and transitions more!

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Re: End of Day by Days

Post by xexyzl » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:01 pm

OK the most obvious problem to me was the lip flaps. You see lip flaps throughout the entire video, whether or not it's an instrumental section or a chorus/verse. At first I thought it was just footage choice problems: maybe you were stuck wanting a specific scene and there was no way around it. But then about 2/3 of the way through the video I realized you were trying to lip sync to the chorus. Overall it was very distracting.

Ideally if you're using a song with lyrics it should be consistent. The viewer should only see lip flaps when it's intended to be lip synced. If it's an instrumental song or you are consciously deciding not to use lip sync, the audience shouldn't see lip flaps all over the place, especially when someone is singing. It throws us off and forces us to start paying attention to different parts of the video.

Let's see, other than that, the only other thing that really bugged me was the effects. It wasn't that they were particularly bad, it's just that you only used one, and that can lead to several outcomes: 1) The effect highlights a certain tone of the song and footage. 2) The effect gets annoying and/or repetitive.
In your case, I'd say it's a bit of a mix between those two. It's nice that you stayed consistent with the scene selection for the brown footage, but because of the nature of the color change and quality degradation, it can be a little jarring to the viewer when it immediately switches from nice color footage to a heavily filtered effect. Perhaps a more subtle effect would do the same job and be less of an eyesore.

But really, great job for a second AMV, I only hope my 2nd will be as entertaining. :wink:

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Re: End of Day by Days

Post by Minimoto » Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:47 pm

kittymisha wrote:Thank you so much for the advice! For the transitions, to be honest, I've been having a hard time trying to get the program to do what I want it to so I haven't really used them *sigh* One day I'll get the hang of the program and be able to work them in. I've been playing around with them a lot in an attempt to figure out how I can get what I want. The scenes where it flashed and transitioned in that video were all parts that actually existed in the show, not something I edited to add. I wish I could figure out how, but I'd swear by now I've played with everything and my program is just not playing nice with me.

I'm currently using Pinnacle Studio 12 Ultimate, you wouldn't happen to have any recommendations on a program where I could work better transitions, would you? That is probably the only thing I'm not liking about that program right now...

Again, thank you so much for taking the time, and I'll definitely take your advice and work on my timing and transitions more!
Well, I've never really heard much about Pinnacle Studio so I can't be sure, but I know that the Adobe bunch and Sony Vegas have good transitions. I myself am using Sony Vegas 7.0 right now.
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Re: End of Day by Days

Post by kittymisha » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:16 pm

xexyzl wrote:OK the most obvious problem to me was the lip flaps. You see lip flaps throughout the entire video, whether or not it's an instrumental section or a chorus/verse. At first I thought it was just footage choice problems: maybe you were stuck wanting a specific scene and there was no way around it. But then about 2/3 of the way through the video I realized you were trying to lip sync to the chorus. Overall it was very distracting.

Ideally if you're using a song with lyrics it should be consistent. The viewer should only see lip flaps when it's intended to be lip synced. If it's an instrumental song or you are consciously deciding not to use lip sync, the audience shouldn't see lip flaps all over the place, especially when someone is singing. It throws us off and forces us to start paying attention to different parts of the video.

Let's see, other than that, the only other thing that really bugged me was the effects. It wasn't that they were particularly bad, it's just that you only used one, and that can lead to several outcomes: 1) The effect highlights a certain tone of the song and footage. 2) The effect gets annoying and/or repetitive.
In your case, I'd say it's a bit of a mix between those two. It's nice that you stayed consistent with the scene selection for the brown footage, but because of the nature of the color change and quality degradation, it can be a little jarring to the viewer when it immediately switches from nice color footage to a heavily filtered effect. Perhaps a more subtle effect would do the same job and be less of an eyesore.

But really, great job for a second AMV, I only hope my 2nd will be as entertaining. :wink:

Thank you so much, I'll keep all of that in mind! As for the lip syncing I didn't really think of it at first because where I knew where I was going with it I didn't pay as much attention, it wasn't until after when it was first pointed out that my timing needed some work that I realized that coming into it without knowing it definitely looks that way, and, really, I should be making it from that point of view, so in the future I will watch it much more carefully! Thank you for pointing it out again though as I was unsure if that was indeed proving to be a problem or not!

Again, thanks so much for all the pointers! ^_^

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