Averages

[InsaneWaya]

It should be pretty obvious that it's not a "true average", since the numbers all range between 7 and 9, and not 4-6 which would indicate a true bell curve. However, of the opinions that have been given, that is the mathematical average. If you compare your scores against the global average, you'll just get numbers relative to what's been given on the .org.

In other words, the bell curve has just been shifted a few numbers to the right, and that's what you compare to.

Logically it shouldn't matter, because the fact that bad videos don't get as many ops should reflect on your own videos as well. As long as the number of positive ops you get is decently larger than the number of negative ops you get, you should be able to compare to the global average pretty accurately (insofar as something this subjective can be "accurate").

I pretty much agree with you here, i maily asked my stuff in question format because i want to see what other people feel O: i already have a solid idea of how i feel.

[BasharOfTheAges]

I swear I wrote a thread on this a few years back - even suggested getting people to pledge to give random ops to random vids so that the bad ones would legitimately get folded into the average. Never took off though...

[Knowname]

art isn't competitive so if you're going to argue that because art isn't based in facts like math is, you can't automatically equate it with competition. There can be competition within art, but it's not intrinsically competitive

ouch, your right sorry... but thus is the way of the org, just take a look around you, everything is a competition from ic's to top 10% even if the requirements have basically just been nailed down to 'IF your video gets 10 ops it makes the top 10%', it'd STILL turned into a competition, just not a numbers competition but a race. Why else is the opinion swap so popular? I'm sorry but you cannot take the competition out of art that is why I assumed it so.

But there is that one naive assertion that art IS not a competition, but C'MON!!

It's actually hard to define what is and is not a competition. Do ppl do math just for fun?? Sure, just as some make art just for fun the same can be said about learning (math). But in the same sense there is that percentage that do it to stimulate fiscal growth or notoriety.

[dragontamer5788]

(particularly, because you need to make an opinion to put it in your "favorites" list)

When did that happen?

Never. I just suppose that he never noticed that there's the box to add a video to the favs under the video comments.

Wow. How the hell did I not notice that?

[Knowname]

Wow. How the hell did I not notice that?

I don't know, it's been there for ages. lol no, j/p missing things is part of life.

[Vivaldi]

I used to give completely honest Ops using the whole scale, with 5 being exactly average. However I realized that means that everytime I OP a video I actually like I'm still essentially artificially lowering it's score compared to the overall number of amvs it'd be compared to. I myself won't be able set a trend, and in the meantime it does more harm to the people I OP than good. Therefore, when I Op, 7 is "average".

[Knowname]

lol and then there's the ego stroking thing 5's as average is wrong, but forgivin... it's still just wrong though. don't blame me if your satisfied with a fail. I swear, 5 IS average... but who wants to be average? Average is insulting. As you can see via Utoob, the average video on the org isn't really average, why do ppl keep insisting that the videos that lack vision you might find on youtube simply don't exist? THEY are average. Look ppl come here to show off their very bests, why give them the impression that they haven't improved? If in the end it sounds like a pity vote to you and you just don't want to go that route then so be it, but your hardly stimulating anybodies interest but your own. Perhaps your just future proofing your numbers? Yeah! cuz nothing will ever be good enough!!

And then there is the discussion of just how good is 10?? compared with 8 or 9? I believe that the global average should be lower... but certainly not like 6 or a lower 7. That would just insult my 8+ years here and many others I'm sure. Anyway it should be lower simply because MANY (not naming names o.0) give out perfect 10s like they're candy bars. Then again some give out perfect 10's simply because that is the best they'd ever seen and/ or they can't utilize the rest of the scale due to mental deficiencies...

[JaddziaDax]

I score on a grading scale
9-10=A
8-9=B
7-8=C
6=D
1-5=F

>.>

and as for Knowname's talk of average, he's right that a lot of the videos people around here see as "average", are actually anything but, the average amv is total crap, covered in subtitles, mixed and stretched aspect ratios, boring ideas, and just all around technically cruddy. However if all you are exposed to are the top, the creme of the crop the higher your standards go...

[CrackTheSky]

I swear, 5 IS average... but who wants to be average? Average is insulting.

I completely disagree, though I won't go into why because that's a whole unrelated topic in and of itself.

As you can see via Utoob, the average video on the org isn't really average, why do ppl keep insisting that the videos that lack vision you might find on <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/forum/v ... ochsack</a> simply don't exist?

What do you mean by the "average" video on the .org? Because there are just as many really shitty videos on here as there are good ones (if not a crapton more). If people actually oped these crappy videos the way they oped the good ones, the global average would be much lower - dipping into the 6s and maybe even 5s. That's the problem - bad videos aren't getting ops to even out the global average.

Look ppl come here to show off their very bests, why give them the impression that they haven't improved?

Because not everyone improves. Lots of people get worse. And most people start out bad. I prefer giving people honest, constructive criticism rather than the illusion that what they make is flawless. Those flaws should reflect in the scores - 8, for example, means that the video has flaws, but in whatever area I'm grading it's still better than 80% of the videos I've seen! Why should 8 be considered a "C" grade (as JaddziaDax pointed out)? In ANYthing 80% is fricking astounding, why shouldn't that be true here as well?

However if all you are exposed to are the top, the creme of the crop the higher your standards go...

If you have higher standards, you should be less willing to give out high scores, and be more critical of any flaws you see. Logically, being exposed mostly to the best videos should mean your bell curve shifts to the LEFT, not the right. The problem is like InsaneWaya said - the bad videos aren't getting properly oped.

[Corran]

lol and then there's the ego stroking thing 5's as average is wrong, but forgivin... it's still just wrong though.

Everyone has their own method of rating videos. Please don't talk like you are the final authority on the subject.

I personally rate each video on its individual merits. Obviously since I've seen a lot of videos, other videos will have impact on my decisions; however, comparing and contrasting one amv to another is not my goal when rating videos. Everyone rates differently using different criteria and having different levels of previous exposure to amvs. As a result, each person has their own subjective average (and it changes over time). Maybe some people are not bothered or distracted by subtitles and watermarks on a video. Maybe some people see the top 10% as some of the worst videos on the org. Maybe some people need to see a video whose quality looks like random static and has audio that hisses before they bother considering giving out 1s or 2s. Maybe a user will choose to rate a video 3 or 4 points higher if it uses a particular combination of song and anime. There is nothing wrong with any of these situations. It is all subjective. Having a mathematical average of 5.5 goes out the window in a subjective system. (there is no 0 in the opinion system)

art isn't competitive so if you're going to argue that because art isn't based in facts like math is, you can't automatically equate it with competition. There can be competition within art, but it's not intrinsically competitive

ouch, your right sorry... but thus is the way of the org, just take a look around you, everything is a competition from ic's to top 10% even if the requirements have basically just been nailed down to 'IF your video gets 10 ops it makes the top 10%', it'd STILL turned into a competition, just not a numbers competition but a race. Why else is the opinion swap so popular? I'm sorry but you cannot take the competition out of art that is why I assumed it so.

But there is that one naive assertion that art IS not a competition, but C'MON!!

I don't look at AMVs or art as being competitive until it is cast in that perspective either by the editor (an Iron Editor match) or the situation (a contest). As a result, I don't look at amvs or the star scale, opinions, and top lists as inherently a competition, but instead methods of feedback for the editors and methods of locating the cream of the crop for the viewers. The difference between you and me is that in addition to those two things I mentioned, you also cast the org mechanisms for feedback as a competitive system. In other words, I believe art isn't competitive until people make it or perceive it to be.

Art can stand on its own and still be enjoyed.

Why else is the opinion swap so popular?

Some people like receiving feedback to either boost their ego or improve their editing skill...?