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Re: DBZ AMV - Tenacious Disapproval (HQ & Mostly Remaste

Post by Typhoon859 » Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:32 pm

Castor Troy wrote:
Typhoon859 wrote:Yes, I know what you're thinking, "Omg, another DBZ AMV..."
Was that meant as a bad thing? :P

*downloads* and will comment later.
Apparently, most people are tired of DBZ.

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Post by Castor Troy » Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:36 pm

As one of the resident DBZ fans in the community, I agree with alot of what Brad said. You got a good rhythm of telling a story, but some things need to be worked out a bit more.

For a mostly non effects video, I would have just replaced that blurring fade into a normal fade since it didn't really add to the video that much. I also didn't see the need for that funky frame border over Vegeta's death flashback. Maybe just making the entire scene gray would have worked to indicate it was flashback. If you're gonna use effects, try to make them consistent and make sure they add to the video rather than just be there for the sake of being there.

If you're mixing both the older 4:3 dvds with the newer 16:9 dvds, I would have recommended letterboxing/cropping the 4:3 dvds to match the 16:9 dvds. Contrary to popular belief, DBZ was NEVER meant to be widescreen and was a really stupid idea on FUNimation's part in my opinion.

A pretty good video overall. Looking forward to your next video. :)
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Post by Typhoon859 » Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:45 pm

Castor Troy wrote:As one of the resident DBZ fans in the community, I agree with alot of what Brad said. You got a good rhythm of telling a story, but some things need to be worked out a bit more.

For a mostly non effects video, I would have just replaced that blurring fade into a normal fade since it didn't really add to the video that much. I also didn't see the need for that funky frame border over Vegeta's death flashback. Maybe just making the entire scene gray would have worked to indicate it was flashback. If you're gonna use effects, try to make them consistent and make sure they add to the video rather than just be there for the sake of being there.

If you're mixing both the older 4:3 dvds with the newer 16:9 dvds, I would have recommended letterboxing/cropping the 4:3 dvds to match the 16:9 dvds. Contrary to popular belief, DBZ was NEVER meant to be widescreen and was a really stupid idea on FUNimation's part in my opinion.

A pretty good video overall. Looking forward to your next video. :)
I had the video without that border before and it wasn't enough. And afterward, I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for so used that. Not a big fan of it myself, lol, but it didn;t look bad on a 16:9 screen.

I initially started with just fade-outs and it looked bad. Blurs worked better so it did actually add to the video imo.

If you didn't notice, the 4:3 were cropped on top and bottom but not completely. So, they were in between 4:3 and 16:9. Cropping them completely would have made the scenes themselves look bad as too much would be cropped. That's why I decided something in the middle. It'll be fixed when they come out Remastered anyway so... yea...

I would've liked to make videos non-stop but I don't know when the next period of time will come that I'm more or less free. And, thanks for your comment.

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Post by nevada11 » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:55 pm

On editing par, I didn't like the blur then Raw scene change. It should of faded into a new scene with the blur IMO. Also it was hard to sit through really, it got a little boring at times. I like the widescreen though :D. Not a real different DBZ Father-son tribute. But at least you got some good scenes in there. Decent Editing, nice scene choice, great output quality(90% of the time), nothing really special. You got a 3/5 from me bro. The amv needed something to really grab me. Anyway, Gj :up:

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Post by Typhoon859 » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:10 pm

nevada11 wrote:On editing par, I didn't like the blur then Raw scene change. It should of faded into a new scene with the blur IMO. Also it was hard to sit through really, it got a little boring at times. I like the widescreen though :D. Not a real different DBZ Father-son tribute. But at least you got some good scenes in there. Decent Editing, nice scene choice, great output quality(90% of the time), nothing really special. You got a 3/5 from me bro. The amv needed something to really grab me. Anyway, Gj :up:
I don't know if I'm being insensitive right now but that Fathers and Sons thing blows... It's just random clips from DBZ that show what the song is singing about. And it's incredibly corny... I don't understand how my AMV is being compared to that shit. That's never a good idea to do so.. I've seen so many AMVs here and I've never given anybody lower than a 3-star though I have given reviews or w.e like you guys gave me and that's always good. But, some really crappy AMVs with no sense of anything I think 6/10 is good for.

Was my AMV really that crappy? I didn't think I'd get upset from negative and observant reviews but the score is throwing me off. 6/10 is called an epic fail. I just don't like that nobody points out specific good features (if there were any that is) and only specific bad features.

This was supposed to be meaningful rather than incredibly flashy under heavy metal music so yea, I guess it could've gotten a bit boring. Well, w/e, I suck...

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Post by nevada11 » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:18 pm

Eh, sorry then. I found it strange it was lyrically synced all coincidently to Vegeta and Trunks. But I guess thats the way you found it fit

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Post by Vivaldi » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:17 am

Typhoon859 wrote: I didn't think I'd get upset from negative and observant reviews but the score is throwing me off. 6/10 is called an epic fail.
Well, techniquly anything above a 5/10 is basicly good. I know some people don't take it that way, but some people rate that way. I know I do.
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Post by LuluandAuron » Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:25 am

The scoring here may be a bit confusing at first. On the tube everyone for the most part gives a 3-5. Here, 3.5/5 is a good score....likewise,like Vivaldi said, a 5/10 or higher is an ok score. Room for improvement, but not crappy.

This is not the tube.....here, if your video is a poor, you'll get a 1-4, if it's average, you'll get a 5 to a 7, likewise if it's very good work, you'll probably get a 8-10 depending on who is rating it.

My opinion on your video
The pacing of the video needs work. Think of it like a rollercoaster. When the music is slow, you want the clips to be slow (maybe scenes of Trunks and Vegeta standing around, but not heavy action scenes) And when the music gets faster, build with the music. The one point you did do this well was the scenes with Vegeta after Trunks was killed. The scenes with 18 and Vegeta went quite well with the music. However at 2:55 when the still scenes come in, it kind of derails the rollercoaster effect you had going there. Don't get me wrong....story wise they fit, however, as far as pacing with the clips before, it doesn't work. Right after the still scenes, you start to build very well again. Also, I like the build up pretty much through to the end.

I'm not sure how long you've been editing, but I think with some work and taking advice from your fellow editors, you have potential.

hope that helps.

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Post by Typhoon859 » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:09 am

LuluandAuron wrote:The scoring here may be a bit confusing at first. On the tube everyone for the most part gives a 3-5. Here, 3.5/5 is a good score....likewise,like Vivaldi said, a 5/10 or higher is an ok score. Room for improvement, but not crappy.

This is not the tube.....here, if your video is a poor, you'll get a 1-4, if it's average, you'll get a 5 to a 7, likewise if it's very good work, you'll probably get a 8-10 depending on who is rating it.

My opinion on your video
The pacing of the video needs work. Think of it like a rollercoaster. When the music is slow, you want the clips to be slow (maybe scenes of Trunks and Vegeta standing around, but not heavy action scenes) And when the music gets faster, build with the music. The one point you did do this well was the scenes with Vegeta after Trunks was killed. The scenes with 18 and Vegeta went quite well with the music. However at 2:55 when the still scenes come in, it kind of derails the rollercoaster effect you had going there. Don't get me wrong....story wise they fit, however, as far as pacing with the clips before, it doesn't work. Right after the still scenes, you start to build very well again. Also, I like the build up pretty much through to the end.

I'm not sure how long you've been editing, but I think with some work and taking advice from your fellow editors, you have potential.

hope that helps.
The "I don't know how long you've been editing" part makes me happy because this is my first AMV ever.

Yes, you're right about that pacing stuff. It was a sacrifice I had to make in order to match the scenes with the words. I didn't know what else to do. Some necessary scenes to fit the moment just weren't compatible/I couldn't think of a compatible way to fit them on the rollercoaster ride ;)

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Post by Typhoon859 » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:11 am

nevada11 wrote:Eh, sorry then. I found it strange it was lyrically synced all coincidently to Vegeta and Trunks. But I guess thats the way you found it fit
Sorry. Don't worry about it. It wasn't anything you said specifically. I was just upset atm. You did nothing wrong. I was just disappointed with the 3/5 but as explained to me just now, I guess it's not THAT bad. Wish I had time to make another AMV :(

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