refreshing the top 10%?

[Jasta85]

i see the point that some of the older amvs were really good at their time and deserve a place of honor, i'm just saying that some of the amvs in the top 10% are nice, but really are not all that special even at the time they are made, they just got a ton of ops written up for em. But the breakdown of the top 10% into months and years does help, i've been using that to search for more amvs recently.

[1arururu]

well due to the decline of people posting op's perhaps people need to start filling them out again, to change the ratings. or the rating system needs a change to go with the lack of Op's.

either way if you want it to change, start bustin keys on op's. it's something that won't change all by it's lonesome.

my 2 pennies. (exchange equivelent to 1/4 yen)

[Kevmaster]

The Top 10%'s list did suck, does suck and will always suck.

[JudgeHolden]

Neither of chii's really popular videos are even a year old yet. Before those two videos she wasn't really a well known editor. What's this about new stuff not being able to slide in the top 10%?

I said rarely. The point is that one has to get a ton of ops to break the threshold, not just high scores. So, at the most one or two videos a year will do that.

[JudgeHolden]

Neither of chii's really popular videos are even a year old yet. Before those two videos she wasn't really a well known editor. What's this about new stuff not being able to slide in the top 10%?

I said rarely. The point is that one has to get a ton of ops to break the threshold, not just high scores. So, at the most one or two videos a year will do that.

And I'm not saying this is bad, I'm just pointing out why it doesn't change as often as some would like. And as for Chii, if you look at her profile, she's been popular and like for a while, but the last couple people finally oped enough to throw her over the top (which is a GOOD thing).

[hasteroth]

This thread is idiotic.

It's not the scores (as Gene points out), it's the number of ops that matter to get a video into the top 10%. Remember that the scores are curved, therefore you need a ton of ops and people just don't op videos anymore (the QCs put the death nail in that). Unless you are a top editor like Koop or Chii, a video will rarely get enough ops to break the all time top 10% list.

The reason for that is because if only 3 poeple op and they all give it a perfect score it doesn't neccessarily mean that the video is perfect because it's possible that every other person doesn't like the video. If more people op a video then the score becomes more reliable.

Chiikaboom is a great example of how the top 10% does get changed an new videos do get in. Since her videos are less than a year old.

Neither of chii's really popular videos are even a year old yet. Before those two videos she wasn't really a well known editor. What's this about new stuff not being able to slide in the top 10%?

My question exactly.

while all the amvs there are good, there are honestly many other amvs which are better (and which seem to have better scores).

THey aren't in the top 10% because not enough people op those videos. The reason why the scores are lower in the top 10% is because alot of people have given ops for them and not all of those people who op them gave good scores. There's a system they use that probably takes the number of ops and the average score of a video to decide which ones get into the top 10%.

[Arigatomina]

I think the "all years" list should have a weight difference put on the vids depending on the year they were made. Newer vids should need less ops to equal the same "weight" the older vids have. Ops accumulate over the years - the older a vid is, the more ops it's likely to have, the cheaper the op count. The newer the vid, the less ops it's likely to have, the more impressive the op count.

Add in the way ops have fallen off in recent years and there's even more reason to weigh the importance of op count differently depending on the year the vid came out. New vids with 50+ ops, pretty good. Old vids with 50+ ops, well, they should have a lot more than that if they're five years old and supposedly good enough to be on the all time top 10 list.

I don't think it's feasible to weigh the importance of op count according to the year the vid was first released. How much weight do you put on each year? What about the vids that were listed but unavailable for download (and thus unlikely to have been accumulating new ops each year). There's too many variables. It's not going to happen. We don't have a handicapper to tell how much Euphoria should carry to come down nose and nose with Skittles. Too bad, that would be a race to see.

Besides, I've got some vids on the all time top 10 list. One of them's likely to get bumped sometime soon, but most of them haven't moved since 2003. That's the whole reason we got the new options to sort by years - the old list rarely changes, so us older people get to stay up there forever no matter how crappy our heavily opped vids are. Why should we care that newer editors have to work twice as hard to get on that list? It's hardly our fault our vids have had five years to accumulate ops and yours haven't. ;p

[Corran]

i know there have been many debates over the scoring system on this site, this thread may turn into another one, but before that debate begins i'm just wondering if it would somehow be possible to refresh the overall 10% section in any way. i remember when i first found the org years ago and those amvs were the very first ones i looked out. a few new ones have managed to slide in (and koop now has both 1st and 3rd place taken) and while all the amvs there are good, there are honestly many other amvs which are better (and which seem to have better scores).

would it ever be possible to "refresh" the top 10% so some of the new great amvs can replace some of the old and great, but not as great vids?

The top 10% list does change these days...

In the past it used to show an "all time" kind of list that rarely changed. Since 2005ish? we began using date filters.

Now the link to the list on the members main page automatically puts you on the filter for videos released within the last year. Over the course of a year the list does indeed change completely.