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Post by Moonie » Thu May 29, 2008 4:11 pm

MishaGirl wrote:
Bauzi wrote:Might it sweep out the tons of really really crapy videos out there? What do you think?

It might even be a step forward to establish an higher standards for really new ones in this hobby. I mean some stuff is just plain bad that has no excuse. Even for a beginner.
Ohhh- good point! If everyone knows the work is going to be judged, I think everyone will strive to meet that bar of worthiness or not bother with sub-par vids.
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Post by hasteroth » Thu May 29, 2008 4:18 pm

moonie211 wrote:
MishaGirl wrote:
Bauzi wrote:Might it sweep out the tons of really really crapy videos out there? What do you think?

It might even be a step forward to establish an higher standards for really new ones in this hobby. I mean some stuff is just plain bad that has no excuse. Even for a beginner.
Ohhh- good point! If everyone knows the work is going to be judged, I think everyone will strive to meet that bar of worthiness or not bother with sub-par vids.
I never knew of this "bar" you speak of
The only bar I care about is a chocolate one! ^_^
Mmmmm.... Chocolate.

But I don't like youtube one bit. I haven't used it in a while. There are way better sites [I'm not gonna say the names for fear of breaking rules].

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Post by Kalium » Thu May 29, 2008 4:32 pm

I expect this will eventually cause problems when other companies also want a slice of the pie and not all the contracts are the same. Something will backfire. You can be sure that Kadokawa regards this as a deal with the devil.

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Post by Sukunai » Thu May 29, 2008 6:13 pm

I have never considered industry ANY industry, as always being a bastion of brains and wise choices.

AMVs are basically free advertising, and advertising costs a great deal of money.
Fansubs are free advertising, and again, advertising is damned expensive.

How many animes would I have bought in the absence of fansubs?
Precisely zero. Not one. A great big f**king donut, nadda.

How many fansubs have I encountered because of a great AMV, actually quite a few.
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzimiya and Lucky Star to name two.
I'd own both dvd sets today if they were on sale as box sets right now. But that isn't an option just yet. Maybe next years Anime North.

Is music and film special on being often quite stupid? Nope.
Models, plastic models, models of famous planes for instance.
The average major aviation company, say for instance McDonnell Douglas, won't let joe nobody model making company make models of their planes without getting a bit of profit. Asinine isn't it?
They can make a many million dollar military jet, and make em by the dozens, but they can't let a schmuck company make some lousy plastic kits without forcing the kit company to add to the price to give the major corporate entity their cut.

There eventually comes a time when protecting property rights enters the realm of "screw them".

And I suuuuure don't like hearing people mention "oh they have to protect the little guy's job" that works in that industry. The industry doesn't give a damn for the schmucks in its ranks.

Sure some AMVs suck terribly. But bugging scmucks making AMVs is the same as screwing over the people promoting the market awareness of the product.

Justice would be lost sales from a decline in people hearing about the show and never wishing to buy it as a result.
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Post by shonen_jidai » Thu May 29, 2008 6:38 pm

It's certainly interesting news. To echo what others have said, I would hope that eventually the media owners would recognize user generated content as marketing. I too have bought music and DVDs that I was first exposed to via AMVs and fansubs. And I might add that on more than one occasion, the amv of a particular song was better than the official music video. One of the reasons I stopped watching music videos for a time was that they generally weren't very good and were ruining my feelings about the song. AMVs at cons brought me back.
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Post by The Wired Knight » Fri May 30, 2008 2:59 am

Honestly I don't think it will affect much; partially because at the moment it is limited to Kadokawa.

On the other hand, shuold this idea prove succesfull and expand to other companies then we might see a decrease of tube AMVs (thugh thankfully a larger decrease in tons of anime eps cluttering the place). But overall I think people will keep submitting crap AMVs and Kadokawa probably won't care too much about AMVs or MADs that re downright awful.
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Post by Sukunai » Fri May 30, 2008 9:52 am

shonen_jidai wrote:It's certainly interesting news. To echo what others have said, I would hope that eventually the media owners would recognize user generated content as marketing. I too have bought music and DVDs that I was first exposed to via AMVs and fansubs. And I might add that on more than one occasion, the amv of a particular song was better than the official music video. One of the reasons I stopped watching music videos for a time was that they generally weren't very good and were ruining my feelings about the song. AMVs at cons brought me back.
I liked the late 70's early 80s music video scene to some extent. I was young, I went dancing the videos were fun. Then they all went down the crapper.

I have seen MANY cases where it was clear the amv creator not only outdid professionally made music videos, but made it look like the professionals were either useless unskilled over paid losers, or the amv creator had a future making some professionals unemployed.
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Post by Infinity Squared » Fri May 30, 2008 8:39 pm

You know what would be interesting though... ok, what if this goes according to plan and as the article says, the user who posted the video shares with the profit.

Where do we stand then if that video posted by that user... was actually yours. :shock:
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Post by Purge » Fri May 30, 2008 9:32 pm

Infinity Squared wrote:You know what would be interesting though... ok, what if this goes according to plan and as the article says, the user who posted the video shares with the profit.

Where do we stand then if that video posted by that user... was actually yours. :shock:
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Post by Tono_Fyr » Fri May 30, 2008 11:45 pm

Wait a second... MAD is a recently coined term? ... I don't know much about MADs, but I imagine they've been around for at least 8 to 10 years under that title, at the very least.

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