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Tonight I hosted it instead of quadir. I submitted ayumix 2 as a joke about stirring up drama like Spoil did. It got picked and quadir stuck me with the review. That'll teach me for stirring up the shit. Despite the joke start to the idea it worked out fairly well plus it's reviews first time looking at a MEP which brought up some different issues than usual.
So, tonights video:
and the bonus:
IRC wrote:[20:00] <godix> And it's time to start. So who wants to toss out their opinion?
[20:00] <Driftroot> I liked this as an MEP.
[20:01] <G_Q> Well, I thought the beginning was good, the end was on a good note also.
[20:01] <Servo> well I can say this is that it's kinda hard for me to watch the entire thing with 100% focus
[20:01] * badmartialarts is out since he didn't watch it
[20:01] <G_Q> The middle was a little inconsistent between the songs, though.
[20:01] <Nunchuck> the beginning made me all pumpt up but after the third track i just felt bored -.-
[20:01] <godix> I don't like the project. There are two major problems I had with it. One it was just too much. 15 minutes of no core idea is too much.
[20:02] <G_Q> Not sure if this vid works as a straight-through 15 minute vid.
[20:02] <Servo> The entire vid just felt like one big Winamp visulization
[20:02] <Driftroot> But if you like an MEP without a core idea beating you over the head, then AyuM is great.
[20:02] <godix> Secondly, most projects have that one oddball track that tries doing a little something different. I think in this video EVERYONE tried being that oddball. And as a result the entire thing just ended up blah with few tracks supporting the upbeat nature of the music
[20:02] <Driftroot> I personally don't like MEPs that bludgeon me with their agenda.
[20:03] <Servo> I have to say Ayumix 2 is like a CONSTANT ORGASM. I know, the analogy sounds fun, but in reality it isn't. An orgasm is no fun without the foreplay to set it up.
[20:03] <Nunchuck> I think there were too many effects
[20:03] <Kionon> I was asleep.
[20:03] <G_Q> There are points where I thought it did shine, but these points were too far apart.
[20:03] <Kionon> I play Ayumix in the background.
[20:03] <Kionon> It really is that simple.
[20:03] <godix> There's a difference between an agenda and having a unifying theme. Ayumix was, basically, 'hey this artist was cool' and I don't think that supports a 15 mintue video. While just to grab another project, telephone project had an idea behind it so I was able to follow and pay attention to it more
[20:04] <Kionon> It's great for when I'm cooking or something.
[20:04] <Nunchuck> I think that there is a limit of how many effects you should use to make it look cool, but if you cross htis limit you definitely make it look horrible and this was quiet the fact... >.>
[20:04] <Servo> I'll have to echo Kionon. Ayumix 2 feels like background noise.
[20:04] <Yoko> Nunchuck: would it be safe to say if the video had less effects or non-effects there would be acclaims that match the complaint with effects?
[20:05] <Nunchuck> I think you shouldn't exagurate it
[20:05] <godix> Yeah, what kio said. There wasn't an idea that made me pay attention so I kept having my mind wonder
[20:05] <Driftroot> But the Tele project dragged on for me, I "got" it within about five seconds and then I didn't feel like I was going to see anything worse sticking around for. Ayumix is like a candy store, it's all sickly sweet and there's good stuff and bad stuff...but if you're after candy, then you're in the right place.
[20:05] <Kionon> I can't sit down and just watch Ayumix. I get bored.
[20:05] <Driftroot> *worth
[20:05] <Nunchuck> and here was so much stuff that I couldn't even see the anime from time to time
[20:05] <G_Q> There's effects work that seems to flow, then there is effects work that flows like a traffic jam on a highway.
[20:05] * Driftroot would like to make clear that she is not a fan of eye candy...
[20:06] <G_Q> In other words, a few too many sudden stops in the effects and the flow.
[20:06] <godix> Maybe I should ask, did anyone see anything mroe to this project than 'Hey look, we like this artist' and 'Ohhh AE work'?
[20:06] <Servo> Hmmm...godix, I have to say that I didn't feel that the entire vid was about Ayu in general
[20:06] <G_Q> I didn't see much in the way of cooperation from track to track.
[20:06] <Driftroot> godix: a few times, I actually stopped to watch some of the sync in a couple places because it was done in an interesting way.
[20:06] <Servo> it seemed to forget the idea of Ayu
[20:06] <G_Q> Inside the tracks themselves, it seemed to flow nicely.
[20:07] <Yoko> indeed
[20:07] <Kionon> I liked Chikaboom's track.
[20:07] <Kionon> The CCS one.
[20:07] <godix> servo: actually I kinda agree. Most tracks make me think the editor didn't know and didn't care even what the lyrics meant.
[20:07] <Yoko> I didn't find the KH2 track all that ground breaking though
[20:07] <Kionon> But that's about all I can really remember.
[20:07] <G_Q> It's just the movement from one track to another that really kills the overall project.
[20:07] <Driftroot> I never stopped to watch any of the effects, though, just what people did with their straight-laced anime.
[20:07] <Kionon> and I rememberit because I like the way she did the borders to and turned a 4:3 source into 16:9 and it worked well.
[20:08] <Driftroot> I found the KH2 track noteworthy because it was so "plain" compared to everything else. It was plain and it still worked, everyone else might have taken a lesson from that.
[20:08] <godix> Chii's track and whoever immediately followed her were my favorite points. Mainly because they were the only points where it was the footage that was upbeat instead of relying on effects to carry it
[20:09] <godix> although there were lots of effects in those at well, at least hte source was upbeat.
[20:09] <Yoko> agreed on the chii.
[20:09] <Yoko> Driftwood: point made
[20:09] <Driftroot> DriftROOT ^_^
[20:09] <Servo> Did it ever occur to anyone that there was no editor's vision though. For example, could anyone tell a Chii track when they saw it without looking at the credits
[20:09] <Yoko> :P
[20:10] <G_Q> Kisanzi followed, I think, and made up the only editor of the 4th (or 5th?) track.
[20:10] <godix> servo: To some degree. But that's just because some of these editors I've seen enough of their work to recognize their style.
[20:10] <Driftroot> I don't know the editors' "styles" enough to pick anyone out, so I can't answer that, servo
[20:10] <Driftroot> heh
[20:10] <godix> I knew FC for example just because he has this thing for eyes.
[20:10] <Nunchuck> I think that the KH2 track was too outstanding and didn't fit to the whole MEP
[20:10] <Servo> I don't know maybe it's just me. I just think that an MEP taking advantage of different editor's visions might help
[20:11] <Kionon> I'd say the MEP was fun the first time, but loses it's pure review value immediately. Great for background (actually, nice shit for a j-pop dance), but nothing special, spectacular, or containing any theme or deeper meaning.
[20:11] <godix> I'm kinda reversed. I'd actually like to see the editors work closer together.
[20:11] * G_Q also
[20:11] <Nunchuck> yep reviewable is the mep not at all :(
[20:11] <Servo> godix, agreed. I didn't mean them to be seperate not at all. Teamwork is essential
[20:11] <godix> Every MEP I'm aware of is of the 'from point x to y is editor A and y to z is B'. I'd prefer to see more of a collab where there isn't such a noticable difference between the tracks
[20:12] <Kionon> Collab's are nice, but hard.
[20:12] <Yoko> Servo: If I remember correctly when reading the threads there was some drama issues going on
[20:12] <godix> OTOH that type of organization is a bitch and a half. I've seriously thought about how to do it then eventually gave up the whole idea.
[20:12] <Servo> I was just saying that collab balanced with diversity might help
[20:12] <Yoko> if that would explain ne thing.
[20:12] <Niotex> people these days arent motivated to do so
[20:12] <Kionon> It usually takes the editors being in physical proximity to each other.
[20:12] <Kionon> I've done one.
[20:12] <G_Q> godix: Would you put ROS5 in that type?
[20:12] <Driftroot> I'd like to see an MEP with a high rate of interaction between the editors' videos. For example: a Mortal Kombat AMV where each editor pits their clips against each others'...that would be a lot of fun.
[20:12] <godix> GQ: ROS5 was still point x to y was editor A.
[20:12] <Niotex> ...
[20:13] <Niotex> no comment
[20:13] <Servo> yoko, I actually didn't read much of the drama. Most of it was already deleted when I went online to see it.
[20:13] <Niotex> ayumix 2 drama was bullshit
[20:13] <Niotex> you didnt miss out on much
[20:13] <godix> The drama was basically a mix of it suddenly became cool to pile on and hate ayumix and a couple of the editors took things entirely too personal.
[20:13] <Yoko> not the drama in the aamv announcement
[20:13] <G_Q> btw, we should be asking Nio more, shouldn't we?
[20:13] <Yoko> I mean
[20:13] <Yoko> in the MEP thread
[20:13] <Nunchuck> where did you see drama? oo
[20:14] <Kionon> We shouldn't be asking Nio much of anything.
[20:14] <Kionon> He's one of the editors, right?
[20:14] <Niotex> why?
[20:14] <godix> So it appears consensus is this wasn't that good a project. So what would people have liked to see that might have made it better?
[20:14] <Niotex> I did the credits thats all
[20:14] <Kionon> Oh.
[20:15] <G_Q> Well, they were rather good credits.
[20:15] <Driftroot> godix: more variation with the songs, to me it all sounded the same, more or less.
[20:15] <Kionon> I saw your name on it, couldn't recall much else.
[20:15] <Nunchuck> a plot
[20:15] <godix> yeah, nio provided us a nice upskirt shot.
[20:15] <G_Q> With flying 3D Sakura and all.
[20:15] <Driftroot> More variation on songs = probably more variation on editing style.
[20:15] <Yoko> hence the werd Ayumi--X
[20:15] <Yoko> :o
[20:15] <Niotex> and regardless of me helping setup Ayumix 2 or not my opinion about Ayumix 2 is still a bad one as I dont like it
[20:15] <godix> driftroot: So you think the major failing was the mix, in other words the project was doomed before anyone edited?
[20:15] <G_Q> Though, flying through all of the names at the beginning was a bit rushed.
[20:15] <Servo> godix, would've liked to have seen a more defined concept overall. Would've liked to have felt that it WAS an Ayu vid.
[20:16] <G_Q> I was trying to point out names in the nanoseconds I had to do it.
[20:16] <Kionon> Honestly, a theme would have been nice.
[20:16] <Kionon> None of the tracks related at all.
[20:16] <Driftroot> no, I'm not saying it's doomed, but give a bunch of people who love eye candy a bunch of audio that's perfect for eye candy...and you're going to get eye candy.
[20:16] <Nunchuck> If you want to do a project which is 15 min long you should at least have something which keeps me interested
[20:16] <godix> Driftroot: True. Although I suspect a lot of that was just editors trying to live up, and surpass, the first ayumix.
[20:16] <Nunchuck> and I guess the only thing which could keep me watching is a plot or a main idea
[20:17] <Driftroot> godix: yes, well, that's their problem.
[20:17] <badmartialarts> the idea of a leitmotif has always appealled to me, but it would have to backed with a proper song
[20:17] <G_Q> It's good for viewing at a con, but it's a bit too hard to focus on it and the inconsistencies between tracks and editors stood out.
[20:17] <G_Q> They should have spent more time ironing out the wrinkles.
[20:18] <Driftroot> If Ayumix's purpose is to be flashy and fluffy...then I'd say it did a fairly good job. Does flash and fluff make a good MEP? Not necessarily, so we're left wondering what could have made Ayumix better, namely less flash and fluff...seems like.
[20:18] <Servo> Something tells me that not a lot of communication went between the editors of the project during production. Although I may be wrong on this.
[20:18] <Niotex> con version was rushed this is true none the less I dont htink we're reviewing the con version here GQ
[20:19] <godix> My overall summing up would tend to agree. The mix didn't have enough variety so tended to herd people into the same particular style of video. And the lack of anything really tying the various tracks together killed it for me. I honestly saw nothing that needed to be mixed together. Each segment could have been released as a solo vid without losing anything
[20:19] <G_Q> Nio: I meant that the video is good at viewing at "a con", not really mentioning the AWA version.
[20:19] <Nunchuck> godix: I completely agree!
[20:19] <Driftroot> There was no reason for this MEP to exist, really, if it didn't elevate its pieces parts above the level of what an individual AMV could have contained.
[20:19] <Servo> I would have to ask though, what would be good criteria for Ayumix 3?
[20:20] <G_Q> Flow.
[20:20] <Niotex> There is no 3
[20:20] <godix> As someone who has headed meps in the past and may again, studying this for it's failure is very instructive. As an amv fan just watching it, blah.
[20:20] <Yoko> Ayumix 4 killed 3
[20:20] <Yoko> :|
[20:21] <godix> I believe deshi is not interested in a 3. He's indicated there's not enough ayu music worth doing a third. Which strikes me as strange but ok, whatever.
[20:21] <Servo> hmm that is strange
[20:21] <Niotex> well it just go's to show with the mix for 2
[20:21] <Driftroot> Ok, so song choice aside, what else could have been done to make this MEP more successful? Get all new editors?
[20:21] <Servo> because there is A LOT of AYu songs
[20:21] <Servo> including remixes
[20:21] <Niotex> the thing that 2 missed was that upbeat stuff that we had in 1
[20:22] <Niotex> this was all too consistant
[20:22] <Niotex> thus leading to a boring mix and boring tracks
[20:22] <Kionon> I never saw Ayumix 1.
[20:22] <godix> servo: yes, that was my reaction. But I didn't like 1 much even though I was in it (and should have been cut but wasn't). 2 just sucked. I'm kinda glad he's not doing a 3 no matter what the reason is.
[20:22] <Driftroot> whoa whoa whoa, boring tracks came first, I would think
[20:22] <Niotex> though considering the beta mixes I've heard this was probably the most apealing compilation of the bunch
[20:22] <Yoko> DriftROOT: Some of the editors were just fine I thought, just a little miss guided that or they could do so much with their track/
[20:23] <Servo> godix, maybe. But I still think that there COULD be a good Ayu MEP.
[20:23] <godix> Which actually strikes me as another failing. Deshi is a nice man, he really is. He SHOULD have taken a look at some of these tracks and said 'Redo this entirely or I'm cutting you' but he was too nice to do so.
[20:23] <Kionon> I could have stood to see Chii's track as a single video. And that says a lot.
[20:23] <Nunchuck> Driftroot: The missing core idea and the lack of cooperation stands out the most!
[20:23] <Driftroot> Yoko|logan: as I said before, the audio they were given to work with definitely forced a lot of people's hands, plus as godix said they had to live up to Ayu 1.
[20:24] <Niotex> 1 wasnt that much to live up to
[20:24] <Driftroot> You know what I mean.
[20:24] <godix> I only say that because I flat out told him for the good of project I told him he should cut my bit from the first ayumix and he was too nice to do so. So I imagine more of the same happened with 2.
[20:25] <Servo> As pretentious as this sounds, I would agree
[20:25] <godix> Ok, does anyone have naything else to add or is it time for final thoughts?
[20:25] <Kionon> Final thought.
[20:25] <Nunchuck> what parts would you wanted to be cut?
[20:26] <godix> nunchuck: Almost everything to be honest.
[20:26] <Kionon> ...or not.
[20:26] <Niotex> Godix I at the time did mention some things to deshi I dont recall what exactly or about what tracks but the main reason it didnt change is because it was close to AWA so altering things on such a short notice would be a huge gamble
[20:26] <Kionon> Uh.
[20:26] <Kionon> The KH2 vid, the Fate/Sty vid...
[20:26] <Kionon> I'd have to rewatch it.
[20:26] <Kionon> Pretty much everything but Chii?
[20:26] <godix> Any track that made me think the anime was jsut there because SOMETHING had to be under all those effects. That's what should have been cut.
[20:27] <Servo> I would have to say that Ayumix 2's problem goes straight to the idea itself. If you have a bad concept to work with, then the final isn't looking too bright.
[20:27] <Nunchuck> I guess they have done the best they could with the rather boring concept
[20:27] <Niotex> the concept isnt bad in the sense that its a remix mix for a remix medium
[20:27] <Driftroot> If you asked the creators what the concept was, I wonder what they would have said? Ok, they probably would have said "To pay homage" but I wonder what the EDITORS would have said.
[20:28] <godix> Ok, my final thought is the project failed. For anyone who wants to ever run a MEP it's worthwhile to study this and figure out why it failed. But as just a viewer, it had no core idea to hold my interest and that was the ultimate failure.
[20:28] <Driftroot> "To showcase all our cool effects and nice computers!"
[20:28] <Niotex> I think the majority of the editors didnt understand what Ayumix was about and thus just did a video
[20:28] * Driftroot wants some of those computers
[20:28] <Nunchuck> the only thing which bothers me is that the tracks are too independent
[20:28] <badmartialarts> I have a nice computer
[20:28] <Driftroot> Nio: makes a lot of sense
[20:29] <godix> Yeah, I think if you asked most of the editors in the project what the idea behind their track was then you'd just get a blank stare in return.
[20:29] <Servo> My final thought is that it is a downer and failed project. But I would like to see an MEP that evolves and moves on because of Ayumix 2.
[20:29] <Niotex> Godix I can guarentee you this
[20:30] <Driftroot> How about Ayumix 2: Redux?
[20:30] <Niotex> no
[20:30] <Driftroot> You could call it Mixuya fort short. That's kinda cute.
[20:30] <badmartialarts> I gave an immense amount of thought to my RoS3 track, all 58 seconds of it
[20:30] <Niotex> its done and its over its not like SF3 nor is it like AMVHell
[20:30] <Kionon> Final Thought: I need to cook lunch, and I'll put on Ayumix right now as I do so. That says everything.
[20:30] <Driftroot> Don't burn yourself.
[20:30] * godix changes topic to 'Bonus: http://www.a-m-v.org/video/153791'
[20:31] <Servo> to tell you in honest truth, If there were to be an Ayumix 3, the approach in making it would have to be COMPLETELY different than the last two
[20:31] <godix> This was in the VCAs so many of you may have seen it.
[20:31] <Driftroot> Is it worth making a third just to prove it can be done well?
[20:32] <godix> driftroot: I don't think so. First of all anyone besides deshi who does an ayumix would be stomped in public opinion. Second off, there are tons of MEPs around. Some of which prove MEPs can be done well.
[20:32] <badmartialarts> dog playing chess
[20:33] <badmartialarts> it's not the fact that it's done well, it's that it's done at all
[20:33] <badmartialarts> that's totally inapplicable to this situation, though
[20:33] <quadir> I liked ayumix, I think people underestimate how much distance affects collaborative projects, and how much the ddr project affected all projects that came after it. You're much more likely to see something trully collaborative in 2 editor endevours. Some editors only edit in pairs, but look at something like Hsien's music band documentary. So in following the trend, I think ayumix accomplished it's goals, and did a pretty g
[20:33] <badmartialarts> :O
[20:33] <quadir> oh, and hello.
[20:33] <godix> quadir: You cut off there.
[20:34] <quadir> 21:32 <quadir> I liked ayumix, I think people underestimate how much distance affects collaborative projects, and how much the ddr project affected all projects that came after it. You're much more likely to see something trully collaborative in 2 editor endevours.
[20:34] <quadir> Some editors only edit in pairs, but look at something like Hsien's music band documentary. So in following the trend, I think ayumix accomplished it's goals, and did a pretty good job at them.
[20:34] <quadir> there you go.
[20:34] <badmartialarts> two heads are not always better than one
[20:34] <godix> maybe I cut to bonus too soon.
[20:35] <Nunchuck> I really like the bonus vid
[20:35] <quadir> nah, I was lurking for the last while, I'm find with just putting in my final thoughts
[20:35] <Servo> well the discussion for Ayumix 2 can still go on. Besides I'm still dling the bonus
[20:35] <godix> So do I. And I would never have seen it without the jca/vca.
[20:35] <quadir> it got submitted to the review at one point
[20:36] <godix> ON the subject of MEPs in general, not just ayumix, most of them fail for exactly the same reason ayumix fails. There's no central idea to hold it together. To some extent I include my meps in this as well.
[20:36] <quadir> (also to note, if I had somehow disqualified godix' submission of ayumix, he wasn't the only one to submit it. )
[20:36] <godix> quadir: Huh? What?
[20:36] <Nunchuck> I really like the athmosphere in the beginning. The blue background makes the whole emotion thing more effective and then the climax imense cool :D
[20:37] <quadir> godix: seems like you got your possey out in full force
[20:37] -> *quadir* Seriously? I caused others to spam you? Damnit, fucking fanboys.
[20:37] <quadir> godix: too bad you didn't get them to vote for you in the vca's
[20:37] <godix> I did. How else do you think I got to the finals?
[20:37] <Niotex> On the bonus: I like it overall but in all seriousness.. Clean masking please people..
[20:37] <Servo> Possey!?!?Godix make friends if his life depended on it
[20:38] <Servo> *CANT
[20:38] <godix> On the bonus. I like it for two reasons. One I never saw the anime but I can tell exactly what the video is about. Two it's effects enhance the mood of the video instead of the effects BEING the video.
[20:38] <Servo> btw Conet should've won Best MEP
[20:38] <badmartialarts> hey
[20:39] <badmartialarts> what is this video I just watched
[20:39] <godix> I was hoping conet would get to the finals at least but I never fooled myself into thinking it'd win
[20:39] <Servo> come on it was very original.
[20:39] <Nunchuck> that sudden change in the color was really awesome! I love how the music fits to that part^^ and mostly everything else too^^ (still bonus)
[20:39] <Servo> dokidokis segment is a classic
[20:39] <badmartialarts> is this a video that FITS THE SONG....that uses effects APPROPRIATELY....that is INTERESTING TO WATCH despite the fact that it's very downbeat?
[20:39] <godix> servo: The VCAs aren't about originality. They're about who could entertain the masses the most. And that usually requires the exact opposite of originality.
[20:40] <badmartialarts> I don't know how to appropriately watch a video like this anymore
[20:40] <godix> BMA: Astounding isn't it? This video alone made slogging through all the VCA crap worth it.
[20:41] <badmartialarts> damned Russians
[20:41] <badmartialarts> :O
[20:41] <Servo> Hmmm...as for the bonus...I do like the color schemes
[20:41] <badmartialarts> that was a proper video, I didn't think those existed anymore
[20:41] <Servo> especially the red against the blue
[20:42] <badmartialarts> Obviously the editor has either studied color theory or is just a natural at it
[20:42] <badmartialarts> he uses colors VERY well
[20:42] <Servo> I have to say the beginning is very slow. But the climax in the middle is very engaging.
[20:43] <badmartialarts> antagonistic colors for antagonistic scenes, complementary colors for reconcilliation scenes
[20:43] <Nunchuck> i don't get the ending though. I hoped that it would be as understandable as the beginning and the middle parts
[20:43] <godix> Yes. That's one of the things that impressed me. The dark blue tones. The use of B&W characters. then cutting to bright colors during the highlight. Masterful use of color here.
[20:43] <badmartialarts> ,ade sense to me...he finally got with the girl
[20:44] <badmartialarts> after she threw herself at him, and bitchslapped his skanky ho
[20:44] <badmartialarts> and then almost died by bus
[20:44] <badmartialarts> I've never seen Shuffle! either
[20:44] <Servo> I don't know if anyone noticed this, but I really like the High Contrast in the very end
[20:44] <Nunchuck> waaah the end is really confusing
[20:45] <godix> BMA: Huh? I got the exact opposite. The green haired chick dies int he hospital. The red haired chick dies in a car accident. He ends up alone with his memories of them both.
[20:45] <Nunchuck> he is having a good time with both girls but kisses the orange haired one Oo?
[20:45] <badmartialarts> ah
[20:45] <badmartialarts> well, if the end was also in the sepia tone I'd go for that
[20:45] <godix> nunchuck: AFAIK the story here is he's dating one and cheating on her with the other. The girls find out and fight. Then both girls die and he ends up alone
[20:45] <badmartialarts> but the end is the only 'natural color' part so I thought that was the 'true' ending
[20:46] <godix> I haven't seen the anime so I could be wrong.
[20:46] <Nunchuck> uff that's cruel
[20:46] <badmartialarts> there's no reason to stick to the real story of the anime anyway
[20:46] <godix> BMA: I was seeing it as 'current' is a sad and dark time and the colorful parts were the cheerful memories
[20:46] <Servo> you know I'm looking at all of your guys' comments and I'm not seeing the interpretations of the characters that you guys are seeing. But the interpretation of what's going on doesn't really matter for me on this one.
[20:46] <Servo> It's the emotion that's engaging me.
[20:47] <badmartialarts> ok
[20:47] <badmartialarts> I get your interpretatio now Godix
[20:48] <Nunchuck> Well as far as i am concerned i was pretty amazed by the colorchange and the drama as a whole
[20:48] <godix> servo: so what do you think is going on? Like I said, I could be wrong but that's the story I got from it.
[20:48] <godix> I also liked that it showed some real emotion. Too many dramas think crying character = drama.
[20:49] <Servo> basically my interpretation is that a girl is in love with a boy and that no matter what she does she can't achieve the boy.
[20:49] <Nunchuck> that's drama oooh boy^^
[20:50] <Servo> I also got a sense of forbidden love to based on stuff like 1:57
[20:50] <godix> Ok. Clearly some different interpretations here. I think the only 'current' thing is around 2:20 or so when he's walking alone on the street. Everything else is a flashback of what lead him there followed by a flashback showing it wasn't ALL bad.
[20:51] <Kionon> The blue shit is overly blue.
[20:51] <Kionon> That's not the source is it.
[20:51] <godix> One thing that threw me and I'm still not even sure I'm right on, is the B&W character in the maid outfit the green hair chick or the red haired?
[20:51] <godix> kio: I doubt it.
[20:51] <Nunchuck> can anyone interpret 2:53?
[20:51] <Nunchuck> i thought those girls where strongest rivals :S
[20:51] <Kionon> Okay, This is the boringist romance video I have ever seen, and that's coming from KIO.
[20:51] <Servo> Kionon, at first I did think the blue was overly saturated. But upon watching the entire vid, the overly saturated color does feel appropriate
[20:52] <godix> nunchuck: I suspect in the anime they were friends before they found out they were boning the same guy
[20:52] <Orwell> They're both friends competing for the same guy.
[20:52] <godix> Kionon: It's not romance. Not the 16 year old girl idealised view of romance which is so prevelent on the org at least.
[20:52] <Orwell> though I admit I'm not watching the video, I'm doing homework I should have done a while ago.
[20:53] <Servo> BTW, I think the ending is the boy's flashback to good times too. Note the VERY last shot of the entire vid where we see the picture to the left.
[20:53] <Kionon> I'm not watching the video either, I'm cooking.
[20:54] <godix> on review i can see servos point as well. Mostly we see him rejecting the red haired chick.
[20:54] <badmartialarts> godix: from what I've jsut read of the anime, he ends up with the green-haired girl
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[20:54] <badmartialarts> no one dies
[20:54] <badmartialarts> boring :O
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[20:54] <Nunchuck> waah spoilers :(
[20:54] <Orwell> BMA: Watch school days?
[20:54] <godix> OTOH, the red haired chick did climb into bed naked with him. You don't let girls sleep over unless somethings going on....
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[20:54] <badmartialarts> so it is a rehashing of the story
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[20:55] <badmartialarts> godix: he and the red-head are roommates
[20:55] <badmartialarts> they are childhood friends
[20:55] <godix> Ok. Obviously my interpretation is wrong then. Still, I like my view better so screw you all.
[20:55] <badmartialarts> he obviously rehashed the story
[20:56] <badmartialarts> so any interpretation is valid
[20:56] <Fall_Child42> aww where are the lame arguments?
[20:56] <Fall_Child42> my job is boring :(
[20:56] <Nunchuck> k overall it was more entertaining than ayumix :)
[20:56] <Servo> I haven't seen the anime either, but the vid does give us who haven't seen the anime a firm perspective
[20:57] <godix> I thought it served as a counterpoint to ayumix in that here's something loaded with effects for a reason.
[20:58] <Servo> I thought the vid is an example where a concept can overrule the technical flaws of a vid
[20:58] <Yoko> i'm reminded of animix when I keep seeing the title "ayumix" float around somewhere in that video.
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[20:59] <godix> servo: I didn't see any major flaws. Maybe a few minor things here and there but most of what I would call flaws in other videos were problem intentional artistic choices here.
[21:01] <Orwell> If anyone still cares, 2:53 is where he runs the orange haired one off, and she's crying about it to her friend.
[21:01] <Servo> I'm looking at blending issues like 0:44, where the masked character isn't properly corrected to the background
[21:01] <Orwell> the 'rivalry' isn't really anything serious.
[21:02] <Servo> you know stuff like that
[21:02] <godix> seen the source I take it?
[21:02] <Orwell> Both the original and the recap thingy they did.
[21:02] <Orwell> The emotional suffering of others cheers me up.
[21:02] <Servo> I've never seen the anime no
[21:03] <godix> servo: That's the type of thing I think was intentional. He wanted the masked character to stand out from the background.
[21:03] <Servo> hmmm...even so it's not bothering me at all. I know the "flaw" is there but it's not affecting my liking for the vid.
[21:04] <Servo> After all artistic choices can be risk takers
[21:04] <Servo> and this vid is certainly a risk taker
[21:04] <Servo> but i do like it
[21:04] <godix> Yeah. I've always been of the opinion the technical aspects are the least important. I can overlook a lot of technical problems if there's decent editing and a good idea there.
[21:06] <Servo> Same here. Concepts and Ideas hold sharper images than sharp images themselves.
