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Turbo · Post by **Turbo** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:50 am

I don't see any problems here:

1) Find a people who want to join you
2) Take a semi-final list
3) Download all of the videos
4) Discuss them with your command
5) Announce the winners in each category one day before real VCA
6) Make a thread on ORG with alternative results
7) PR this thread
8) All the people will want to compare the results

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:52 am

godix wrote:What is the need, necessity, or problem solved by the VCAs, AWA, Acen, or any other existing contest? You're acting like the only thing to stop pro-JCA people from taking VCA winners behind the barn and shooting them in the head is you. This is just a contest idea guys. Don't like it? Don't participate it in, same as any other contest. Jesus, do you guys go to a first year con and bitch that they have a masquerade and amv contest despite the fact other cons had those long before? Take that stick out of your ass, it's been up there so long it's starting to decompose inside you. Sometimes 'because it'd be amusing for awhile' is a good enough reason to do something.

If the proposal didn't involve a significant amount of work devolving onto members of the Org administration for an rather unspecified system, I would agree with you.

Which is why I suggested earlier almost exactly what Turbo just did, only without the convenient numbering.

What I want is for Koop & co. to justify this. There's been precious little of that thus far, so I started with a few basic questions.

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:17 am

Turbo's list is fine...except maybe step 1.

Any single person can already write his or her comments on the VCA finalists and post them. The capability exists and the precedent's been set.*

Some people's opinions may get more respect than others, but any one's opinions will get read if it looks like they took some time and exercised some thought over their comments. (Decent grammar and spelling is a given, however. No one's going to wade through the unintelligible.)

BTW, this is different than the "submit opinion" feature in the database since it would be comparative rather than restricted to a single AMV.

And we might find that this type of commentary is more useful to and more popular with the readership than a simple list of winners.

* By precedents I'm referring to a list that godix put up some months ago and maybe JaddziaDax's list in the last newsletter - except that one needed more text. There is also the occasional topic where someone comments on all the AMVs that appeared in a particular contest.

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:13 am

Kalium wrote: If the proposal didn't involve a significant amount of work devolving onto members of the Org administration for an rather unspecified system, I would agree with you.

Actually, not much coorperation or work is needed/wanted from the org.

Koopiskeva wrote:The only backing I wish for would be promotion - no other involvement really be needed at this time.

- on page 4, which I thought was also clear on the little 'update' section of my original post on 12/22, stating that it was to be sponsored 'outside the org.'

JudgeHolden · Post by **JudgeHolden** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:37 pm

Turbo wrote:I don't see any problems here:

1) Find a people who want to join you
2) Take a semi-final list
3) Download all of the videos
4) Discuss them with your command
5) Announce the winners in each category one day before real VCA
6) Make a thread on ORG with alternative results
7) PR this thread
8) All the people will want to compare the results

I'm pretty sure one could predict the results of the JCAs far easier then the VCAs and the VCAs are easy to predict.

And as long as it's not an "official" Org event, then I have no Issues with it (as it sounds like, according to Koop, it will not be). So, if it's not going to be, then why are we having this discussion anyway? Just do it ... All you have to do is make the thread like any other contest not put on by the org

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:48 pm

JudgeHolden wrote: And as long as it's not an "official" Org event, then I have no Issues with it (as it sounds like, according to Koop, it will not be). So, if it's not going to be, then why are we having this discussion anyway? Just do it ... All you have to do is make the thread like any other contest not put on by the org

The point of the thread was to get ideas from people, get some interest going for it, and perhaps even have it somehow 'affiliated' with the org. :\

jasper-isis · Post by **jasper-isis** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:42 pm

So, what kinda promotion are you looking for? A post on the front page? A mention in the newsletter? Various submission forms for the contest placed right next to the VCA forms? (j/k on the last one... I can already see Doki dashing away.)

The administration will probably hold off on consenting to "affiliate" until you've worked out all the details of the contest. Right now people are debating the merits of the idea, but there's no telling how "fair" or "elitist" the contest might be without some concrete methodology.

Not to be pretentious about it... we just wouldn't want to jump into something that could turn into a logistical or damage control nightmare.

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:05 pm

That's pretty much it actually, just a post on the front page and/or in the newsletter - just a mention stating that it'll going on side-by-side with the VCAs, following the VCA schedule, but not directly controlled by the org. I guess 'affiliate' is too strong of a word.

I'm hoping to write-up an outline of how the contest shall be run, which will include:

- category selection (which may very well be just the same as those of the VCAs)
- judge selection
- video nominations (looking most likely to be just the semi-finalists of the VCAs to make judging more manageable)
- judging criteria

and perhaps other things that will come to mind.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:17 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:That's pretty much it actually, just a post on the front page and/or in the newsletter - just a mention stating that it'll going on side-by-side with the VCAs, following the VCA schedule, but not directly controlled by the org. I guess 'affiliate' is too strong of a word.

I'm hoping to write-up an outline of how the contest shall be run, which will include:

- category selection (which may very well be just the same as those of the VCAs)
- judge selection
- video nominations (looking most likely to be just the semi-finalists of the VCAs to make judging more manageable)
- judging criteria

and perhaps other things that will come to mind.

Ok, that sounds good about the proposal... Also we would need an idea of how the logistics of it would work (what would be needed on the programming end, etc).

Vlad

jasper-isis · Post by **jasper-isis** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:41 pm

Vlad, he says he only needs a mention on the front page (I'm thinking along with the VCA announcement) and in the AMV newsletter. No programming necessary.