Petition to ban Anime

J-0080 · Post by **J-0080** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:17 am

........why was I posting in this thread again?

Jonathan02us · Post by **Jonathan02us** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:19 am

J-0080 wrote:........why was I posting in this thread again?

petition to ban anime remeber ...

J-0080 · Post by **J-0080** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:22 am

Jonathan02us wrote:
J-0080 wrote:........why was I posting in this thread again?
petition to ban anime remeber ...

But I don't want to ban anime.

Toecutter · Post by **Toecutter** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:25 am

Sounds like we're complete opposites. I'm a born again christian AND a (moderate) liberal (hows that for rare?). You do understand that the anime petition, as well as any other anti-tolerant christian propaganda is REACTIONARY in nature and comes from the hard right wing? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are ministers, but they are left wing, not right. I doubt they are right wing wolves in liberal sheeps clothing, because that would be betraying their black and minority constituency, something very dear to them. Typically, when there is fear of Reactionary based censorship, the two names that pop up are Ashcroft and Lieberman. Ashcroft is at least percieved as being a homophobe, xenophobe, as well as being devoutly christian and conservative. Lieberman, for some idiotic reason, has plagued his party by suddenly making "censorship," a long time conservative agenda, into the newest democratic craze. Stealing the "balanced budget" idea was a good idea, DEMS, but stealing censorship was just stupid, prepare to lose in 04' (for other reasons as well). If your going to hate Democrats for this type of thing, focus on Lieberman instead of Jackson and Sharpton. Lieberman=bad for Democratic party and American IMHO.

Liberals aren't about giving us unrestricted freedom. Those are special interest groups, like the ACLU, who have risen to power by manipulating the incompetent, and by getting political power in exchange for votes from liberals. Liberals are all about forcing everyone into equality by installing a socialist regime. How do they do it? They "support" special interest groups like the ACLU, just so they can get a large chunk of votes in their favor. Once they're put into office, they constantly restrict our rights. Even though the Second Amendmant supports our right to carry firearms in public, so long as they are clearly visible (walking with a rifle down the street), liberals have stepped in to label this action "brandishing", making it illegal to carry unless the weapon is hidden, and one goes through all the red tape of getting a concealed-carry permit (the only thing I'm looking forward to when I turn 21 in a couple weeks).

Bills that are passed to "help" a certain group of people from doing stupid things that get themselves killed, just reduce their decision-making, and put a suit in charge of another aspect of their life.

Most conservatives have started to play the same game, because they cannot compete playing fair. I support the Libertarians, because their concept of minimal government interferece (with the price of dealing with your problems yourself). Censorship is the result of people being too weak or ignorant to realize it is their responsibility to raise their children, and teach them right from wrong. Like the post before about the soccer mom complaining about FLCL, if she's so damn concerned about her kids learning how to interact with society by what they see on tv, she's obviously not doing her job as a parent. If the kids start trying to smash their buddy's head with a guitar to grow giant robots, though, that's their problem, not Cartoon Network's or Gainax's.

Christians (Catholics especially) have always supported censorship, because most can't follow a moral code unless there's the fear of bigger, tougher bully, with the power of ultimate destruction keeping them in check. Anything so tempting as a movie depicting street racing or murder is too much for their weak minds to resist. What really cracks me up, though, is how the government has to step in with yet another new organization to regulate a product or service, because both the reactionaries and radicals can't just leave each other alone. Instead, they let the feds herd them like mindless cattle, and then bitch because the government is "trampling our rights as private citizens".

Why do you think we have the MPAA? Until 1968, movies were unrated, but there was always the fear of a local Catholic church boycotting a "controversial film". The original "Scarface" (the 1933 Howard Hawks film, not Al Paccino's "Say hello to my little friend!") had the original ending cut, and a new ending filmed by a Catholic director, even though the original ending showed the bad guy getting what he deserved (without showing blood or guts). Instead, the new ending showed a graphic (for 1930's standards) execution scene, where Scarface was hanged. There's also sudden change in the use of camera angles, lighting style, dialogue, and sets. This is equivalent to someone swapping in three minutes of "Shaft" in replacement to the ending of "Jurassic Park".

The problem starts and ends with the inferior. Those who are too weak to take on the responsibilities that come with our Constitutional Rights do not belong here, but they squander our resources, and corrupt our government day by day.

Jonathan02us · Post by **Jonathan02us** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:35 am

J-0080 wrote:
Jonathan02us wrote:
J-0080 wrote:........why was I posting in this thread again?
petition to ban anime remeber ...
But I don't want to ban anime.

I think that we are all in the same boat ... so post something to not ban anime ... something like anime shouldnt be baned because ... i dont kno post anything u like ...

kearlywi · Post by **kearlywi** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:13 am

Toecutter wrote:Liberals aren't about giving us unrestricted freedom. Those are special interest groups, like the ACLU, who have risen to power by manipulating the incompetent, and by getting political power in exchange for votes from liberals. Liberals are all about forcing everyone into equality by installing a socialist regime. How do they do it? They "support" special interest groups like the ACLU, just so they can get a large chunk of votes in their favor. Once they're put into office, they constantly restrict our rights. Even though the Second Amendmant supports our right to carry firearms in public, so long as they are clearly visible (walking with a rifle down the street), liberals have stepped in to label this action "brandishing", making it illegal to carry unless the weapon is hidden, and one goes through all the red tape of getting a concealed-carry permit (the only thing I'm looking forward to when I turn 21 in a couple weeks).

Bills that are passed to "help" a certain group of people from doing stupid things that get themselves killed, just reduce their decision-making, and put a suit in charge of another aspect of their life.

Most conservatives have started to play the same game, because they cannot compete playing fair.

The problem starts and ends with the inferior. Those who are too weak to take on the responsibilities that come with our Constitutional Rights do not belong here, but they squander our resources, and corrupt our government day by day.

Way off topic, but I gotta respond to this juicy post. What you need to realize (and I'm sure you have) is that unrestricted freedom is anarchy. Laws, by nature, restrict freedoms that have been judged as bad (i.e. killing someone). The debate simply lies on where this line should be placed on any given issue. Thats what the political system does. It polarizes itself to the far left/right for leverage in what amounts to a political tug of war. One side says "no guns" while the other says "no restrictions." If one side goes soft, the other will capitalize. Its just politics, silly, wonderful politics

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The Liberals may have the ACLU on their side, but that doesnt neccessarily make them the Unrestricted freedom group either, as you said (quite accurately). Even still, banning anime is still a right wing christian reactionary plot, and a very ill-concieved dumb one at that (and as some have said, it will go nowhere, and it may just be a prank). It's my opinion that this group is so used to polarized politics, that they feel they have to take an extreme position on it to get noticed (ironically, we're acknowledging these nitwits with this thread and with our flaming petition signitures (im not talking about the anti-ban-petition either, most of the 2k signitures on the ban-anime petition are by idiotic anime fans who signed it just to flame it).

I'm done with my rant, but I quickly wanted to touch on 2 points you made.

First, interference. We have seatbelt laws, because frankly, many people are unapolagetic idiots and yes we do need to "help" them protect themselves in some cases. We have drunk driving laws because, even with the laws, many thousands of people die each year from Drunk Drivers. Same goes for speed limits. We can always sit back and say laws suck until we leave the country and go to a lawless place, like about 60%-70% of the world really.

About the U.S. being Corrupted. I hate when my fellow Americans call the U.S. corrupted. It pisses me off. Only an American, or possibly a disgruntled Frenchman would call the U.S. such. As "disliked" as we are in the world today, the only people you will ever hear calling the U.S. corrupted from outside of it are terrorists or other enemies of the state. Trust me we're not that bad. In terms of local, every day corruption, it is almost non-existant in America, barring our relatively tiny organized crime problem in some major cities (which has faded in the last 60 years). In terms of Political Corruption, I can't honestly say theres a country which runs nearly as well as us with significantly less corruption. Its a marvel to look at the Constitution, and see how it was meticulously and brilliantly created by our forefathers to reduce corruption (i.e. breaking the government into 3 branches). Corruption is a fixed reality in politics, like casualties in war, as much as I hate to say it. I love this country and I would like to see it corruption free, but thats not going to happen without some magic at this point.

Sorry for the long rant, I used to be a poli-sci major

I hope this thread gets back on topic.

Pie Row Maniac · Post by **Pie Row Maniac** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:41 am

kearlywi wrote:
Toecutter wrote:I hope this thread gets back on topic.

I don't.

I'd be tickled pink if it rolled over, gurgled a few notes then died.

J-0080 · Post by **J-0080** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:37 pm

Jonathan02us wrote:
post anything u like ...

)v(ajin Koji · Post by **)v(ajin Koji** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:09 pm

^x2

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The Hitokiri Battousai · Post by **The Hitokiri Battousai** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:50 pm

fweboosh

lets make a petition to ban petitions!!