A mystery about our hero, Goku

kyosukeshin · Post by **kyosukeshin** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:11 pm

People Goku actually "killed":

The original Piccolo
Dr. Wheelo
That guy who looked just like Goku...from "Tree of Might"
Lord Slug
Cooler (he actually intended to kill him the first time, just didn't succeed)
Brolly (see previous statement)
Hildegram
That guy Goku and Vegeta fought in the Spirit World. (Though, technically, he was killed by Goku AND Vegita....Gogeta)

Nandez · Post by **Nandez** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:44 pm

First off i don't hate Goku.And Goku does kill people in the uncut but msot the time he gives them a second chance.Like he gave Vegeta and Vegeta turned out to help them alot especially on namek.

OzzieArcane · Post by **OzzieArcane** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:28 am

I don't even consider Goku beating Buu, him beating Buu. He wouldn't have been able to do it alone. He needed Mr. Satan to convince everyone to give him their energy and everyone that was there had to distract Buu while he made the spirit bomb. It was a team effort.

SSJVegita0609 · Post by **SSJVegita0609** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:48 am

Define hero. Heroes don't have to beat their opponents into submission, they save people (i.e. Vash or Kenshin). And Goku undoubtable saves the world from destruction multiple times, making him a hero.

Nandez · Post by **Nandez** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:16 am

Yeh all the fasicination with why doesn't he kill all the villains is annyoing but ppl i guess find more of a fascination with a hero that kills the enemy without a second though instead of giving them a second chance.But Goku like Kenshin and Vash as SSJVegita0609 all three of these heroes only killed when they had to.Vash killed to save his two freidns but he hesitated not wanting to sacrifice a life.And I'm not going by the anime on this one,Kenshin kills the dude that captures Karou in the manga to save her.And in dbz they had to kill Buu or die themselves.But if your looking for the right kind of hero Goku,Vash and Kenshin are the kind to look to there non killing ways and good intentions are what makes them a hero.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:48 am

I don't mind that Goku doesn't want to kill people when he can walk away and give them a chance to be better in the future. But it gets dumb when those same enemies come back and have to be killed by someone else before it's over. And he *does* defeat a few people (meaning either he killed them, or he beat them to the point where they decided not to come back and make a second play at world domination/revenge or whatever). But most of the major enemies he kills were done with help.

Vegeta - Frieza killed him, Goku let him live (and he went on killing because of it - look at the nameks)
Frieza - Trunks, and then Gohan killed him the third time (when the villains rose from hell - haven't actually seen this so I could be wrong)
Cell - he *almost* killed him (and he did try to kill him, no leniency there), but he still helps Gohan in the end (mental support)
Brolly - I haven't actually seen the first movie, but wasn't it a multi-Son effort (a 3 saiyajin multi-attack) - even if he got the final hit in, he couldn't have done it alone
Cooler - Goku got the final hit, but if Vegeta hadn't cut him free he'd be dead
Buu - Goku got the final hit, but the energy came from the earthlings, and Vegeta and fat Buu kept him from getting killed while he tried to gather the energy - he couldn't have done it alone
Janemba - Goku and Vegeta - group effort all the way

People have pointed out some more minor characters he killed, but I think one of the themes is 'everyone fights together, and so long as Goku plays a big role in the finishing blow, all is well.' I really don't like him.

And comparing him to Kenshin doesn't really work for me. Kenshin killed hundreds, he coated himself in blood - he has a *reason* to swear off killing as a sort of atonement. Goku doesn't kill because he wants to fight his enemies again (think of his final words to Buu) or he's just naive (leaving Dr. Gero alive, and Vegeta). It's one thing for a character to change his ways because he feels guilt - Goku was a sap to begin with, that's his nature. Either you like it or you don't.

I don't see him as a hero, he's just the main character of the show.

_Kenshin_ · Post by **_Kenshin_** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:08 am

OzzieArcane wrote:I don't even consider Goku beating Buu, him beating Buu. He wouldn't have been able to do it alone. He needed Mr. Satan to convince everyone to give him their energy and everyone that was there had to distract Buu while he made the spirit bomb. It was a team effort.

If Goku hadn't been taught the Spirit Bomb, Buu would have destroyed the Universe, that he would.

Heero_Yuy84 · Post by **Heero_Yuy84** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:37 am

Arigatomyna wrote:Frieza - Trunks, and then Gohan killed him the third time (when the villains rose from hell - haven't actually seen this so I could be wrong)

No, you've got it right, Gohan does take on Frieza (in a fight which officially trumps Mr. Satan vs Cell for shortest fight in Z ever)

OzzieArcane · Post by **OzzieArcane** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:43 am

_Kenshin_ wrote:
OzzieArcane wrote:I don't even consider Goku beating Buu, him beating Buu. He wouldn't have been able to do it alone. He needed Mr. Satan to convince everyone to give him their energy and everyone that was there had to distract Buu while he made the spirit bomb. It was a team effort.
If Goku hadn't been taught the Spirit Bomb, Buu would have destroyed the Universe, that he would.

Yes, I know that. But just like Arigatomyna said as well, the point is even if it was his attack it wasn't his energy and he couldn't have won without help from Vegeta and Fat Buu.

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:03 am

Anime Jedi wrote:Vegeta was the one who killed Nappa.
Vegeta got away.
Freeza lived through the first time.
Later Freeza was killed by Trunks.
Goku quit against Cell.
He didn't really try against Buu the first time.
But wait! Did he actually beat Buu himself in the very end?!?! I think he did... but then again, he did revive him as Uub... o_0

I really wouln't call him a hero either except that he does work towards peace (meaning non-killing)

Vegeta - he only let him live so that he could fight him again and beat him to prove he's better (sounds pretty selfish since vegeta was already beaten by gohan and krillin's help) he wanted all the glory

Frieza - didn't he technically kill him, when frieza used the 'mercy' energy to try to kill goku as he flew away, goku obliterated frieza (just because king kold brought frieza back to life doesn't mean he wasn't already dead)

Cell - he tried to kill cell with all his might but couldn't, hell you could see the fury in his face when he faught, he wanted to eat cell alive, but he was just to weak, so he had gohan do it. a hero i think would've faught til he was out of energy (but of course this might not apply to the world of dragonball... or dbz for that matter)

Buu - he didn't kill buu, the energy of everyone including mostly the energy of the earthlings is what killed buu, yes goku launched the spirit bomb, but you can't really blame the messenger, so why reward him?

so i wouldn't call goku a hero, just a nice guy who likes the thrill of combat... and winning at it most of all

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