Un syncable songs?

James Sharp · Post by **James Sharp** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:22 am

well this is kinda a general interest thread. but i was wondering if people have ever run into songs that posed a real issue with syncing..

As we all know there are a few different types of syncing.. first there is beat sync, then there is mood sync.. and then there is i think another type that i forgot about..

Those are the types (at least to my knowledge)

Now i have just run across a song that dances a fine line between mood syncing and action syncing. This song seems to not apply well to any anime that i think of.. and once i found an anime that might work.. it has caused me many sync problems.. not just the beat.. but the general feel of the song causes these issues..

This song for me is "goo goo dolls: Iris" for some reason its a hard song for me to try to sync too.. and at this point I'm kinda thinking of switching songs.

Have any of you had an issue like this... Im not really looking for help or anything just to let you know.. im interested to see how many "notoriously" hard to sync songs are out there.

Fall_Child42 · Post by **Fall_Child42** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:37 am

If

And

And

can be synched ANYTHING can.

The anime nor the song matter all that much if you have a smidgen of creativity.

James Sharp · Post by **James Sharp** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:48 am

Hmm.. I really agree with you that any song can be synced with enough work.. but i strongly disagree that..

The anime nor the song matter all that much if you have a smidgen of creativity.

I believe strongly that certain songs and anime are best suited for one another. And i also strongly believe that it is very important that a creator will look for these connections before making a video.

Now in the case of the videos that you mention.. well.. i mean look at the creators. everyone knows they are so skilled its ugly.. sure they can take any song and make it work with any anime based on editing prowess alone..

But i would bet a right nut when they are going for a certain mood type of video that they look for songs that work well with the anime that they are paired with..

At least i would like to think so.......

and im sure that even the best creators at one point in time have reached a song that they had to step back and really think about how to work it.

dokidoki · Post by **dokidoki** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:53 am

It was hard to hear where the lyrics were.

Kitsuner · Post by **Kitsuner** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:10 am

James Sharp wrote:and im sure that even the best creators at one point in time have reached a song that they had to step back and really think about how to work it.

So because an editor has to think about what they're doing, that means it's unsyncable?

Fall_Child42 · Post by **Fall_Child42** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:23 am

dokidoki wrote:
It was hard to hear where the lyrics were.

Crap, I forgot that one :\ also a good example.

Now I'm not saying that pairing an anime - and a song don't work, infact it's one very good approach, I'm just saying they don't HAVE to be paired for it to work out,

No song is unsynchable, just people do or do not have the patience or will to synch it.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:31 am

Kitsuner wrote:
James Sharp wrote:and im sure that even the best creators at one point in time have reached a song that they had to step back and really think about how to work it.
So because an editor has to think about what they're doing, that means it's unsyncable?

I think the key words are "step back". When the editor goes from brainstorming how to tackle the song, to actually reconsidering using the song at all, then it's falling into unsyncable. Unsyncable for that editor, anyway.

I don't think this problem would bother people who have a very loose editing style. By loose, I mean that it changes drastically depending on the song being used. A lot of our really good editors have a strict editing style that stays the same no matter what video you use as an example. That's the way they lay clips, those are the instruments they notice the most, that's the way they sync to any song in the world using those instruments if they're using that editing program. The concepts might be wildly different from one vid to the next, but you can spot the editor in a heartbeat. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But it does make you wonder if they tend to stick with the same sort of songs because they like those songs, or if it's because they can't sync to songs that don't fit that style of editing.

Personally, I find a lot of rap nearly impossible to sync to. Steady beats for 3 minutes with the main instrument being someone talking to those steady beats. For 3 minutes. Even if I tried to sync to the rhythm of the words, most of the time it's still the same rhythm as those steady beats. I'm just not good enough at experimenting to come up with enough different ways to sync to the same repetitive instrument for 3 minutes and not have the entire video come out boring as crap. I have the same problem with most rave songs because of all the filler - same rhythm repeated for 30+ seconds every other 30 seconds. I think songs like that are better left to multi-editor projects where you get enough different people to keep the editing style fresh from beginning to end. Maybe if I were more into doing effects, I could find more original ways to sync to songs like that, but I'm not.

Orwell · Post by **Orwell** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:52 am

Befriend a childkiller.

godix · Post by **godix** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:04 am

After slumming around the org for a few years I've become convinced that it is impossible to sync Linkin Park. Of course, I'm just judging by the fact that out of thousands of times it's been tried I have yet to see someone who managed to sync it.

staces · Post by **staces** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:20 am

That song is listed as having been used 217 times on the .org alone, I'm guessing that at least a few of those people figured out how to synch it.