Cross Category Videos

MaximoffZero · Post by **MaximoffZero** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:25 pm

I so far have never used lipsync in any of my AMVs (though I have a few ideas for new ones that involve it), but I have made some non-AMV vids that I have shown to people where they laughed at something that I didn't intend to be funny. Unfortunately, that happens. When it comes to entertainment in general, most people just don't get it. Most people don't understand drama, mood, tone, suspense, or anything other than "funny" or "cool".

You want to make people happy with your video? Use either humor or lots of flashy special effects. If you do anything other than that, the only people you might please are other video editors. They're the only ones that'll understand what you're trying to do. I wish that wasn't true, but it is.

Bottom line: Just put all your videos in the comedy category. Most people won't even know the difference (of course I'm joking - don't take that advice).

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:38 pm

I have had it with this motherfucking whine on this motherfucking board.

Quick defense of anime convention audiences, here. For all of you. Because I am one. (Oooh! Fear me and my checkmark!)

Remember where they are and why they are there. It's an anime con. Ever been to one? Anime cons are not known for their air of deep, quiet reflection.

Consider: You are making your video at home, usually. You have time to absorb the nuances and reflect on them. To listen to the song and notice little things about it. You decide to work on it when you're in the mood.

They are at an anime con. They have traveled many miles to meet their friends, spend obscene amounts of money, and party down. They have been awake for 72 hours straight, surviving only on Pocky and Mountain Dew. Most of them are fourteen years old. If they're not, then they're surviving only on Pocky and vodka.

Do they want to be depressed right now? No. Cut them a break.

Besides, just because they're not in the mood for your staggering work of heartbreaking genius right now does not make them bad people. And for all you know, some of them will download your angst-filled opus as soon as they get home. You don't know that. You're just assuming. Con audiences are a nice easy target to blame for your bruised egos, because they're faceless and they're somewhere else. Except they're not, because some of them are here. This board is for AMV fans, too, not just makers. We can hear you, y'know.

Actually, I prefer watching dramatic videos at home too. I'm embarrassed when things make me cry in public, and that's distracting. That doesn't make me a bad person either.

End defense of con audiences, because seriously, this is just silly.

Anneke - enter them wherever you think it's right, and tell the organizers that they can change it if they think it works better in another area. Does that work?

Illia Sadri · Post by **Illia Sadri** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:54 pm

There once was a time when anime con audiences would sit through drama and romance sections of a contest. Now, I hear every year nothing but bitching because not every video was funny. And many of the funny vids are no longer being entered in comedy.

The issue at hand is not con audiences but rather reflection on where a video is best suited. There are trends but at heart is contests and creators themselves. Contests are meant to be a display of the best videos of different genres. Creators and contests should consider does this vid really perform as this category.

It's honestly become all about popularity and a huge desire to win. It shouldn't be like that. It's become a motivation.

For as much griping people give to the people who make movies with fansubs and wmv, you know, they have something going for themselves in that they usually aren't doing it to win. An idea nips them in the butt and won't go away and they feel the need to put something together. It gets shown to a few friends and posted on the org but the person feels they accomplished something just by making it.

MaximoffZero · Post by **MaximoffZero** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:16 am

For as much griping people give to the people who make movies with fansubs and wmv, you know, they have something going for themselves in that they usually aren't doing it to win. An idea nips them in the butt and won't go away and they feel the need to put something together. It gets shown to a few friends and posted on the org but the person feels they accomplished something just by making it.

I'm one of those people, except that I know better than to use downloaded videos and WMV. lol. I've never been to con and don't care to ever go (can't afford it anyway). I do this stuff for a hobby and getting it posted and rated on the board is enough for me.

And I don't mean to rag on people that laugh at the wrong moments or only look for the funny stuff. Chances are most of them have more of a life than I do.

Anyway, about the category thing. I would say pretty much the same thing that everyone else has said so far: put it in the category that represents the majority of your video's content. If you feel your video too evenly spread over the different types, I would say put it Drama as that's much more of a catch-all category than most of the others.

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:17 pm

Please, if the audience is bitching, tell them to sit down and shut up. You're in charge; you have every right. They have the right to vote for whomever they like, and that includes voting in choices that the editors don't like, but I don't think they have the right to complain about the options. That's an inflated sense of entitlement, and that's wrong. (Damn kids.

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Which reminds me - is the question "how do I position my in-between videos to win" or is the question "how do I position my in-between videos how they really belong"? The first question is a little sick-making, but the second really depends on the con organizers. And really, there may not be an answer. Maybe it's truly not humor or drama, or any other single category. That's what expos and online distro are for.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:02 pm

Illia Sadri wrote:For as much griping people give to the people who make movies with fansubs and wmv, you know, they have something going for themselves in that they usually aren't doing it to win. An idea nips them in the butt and won't go away and they feel the need to put something together. It gets shown to a few friends and posted on the org but the person feels they accomplished something just by making it.

Thank goodness there's still videos like that...

staces · Post by **staces** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:02 pm

SarahtheBoring wrote:Important Stuff

You win. You make me giggle with delight when you're jusifiably mean.

Illia Sadri · Post by **Illia Sadri** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:28 am

SarahtheBoring wrote:Please, if the audience is bitching, tell them to sit down and shut up. You're in charge; you have every right. They have the right to vote for whomever they like, and that includes voting in choices that the editors don't like, but I don't think they have the right to complain about the options. That's an inflated sense of entitlement, and that's wrong. (Damn kids. )

Which reminds me - is the question "how do I position my in-between videos to win" or is the question "how do I position my in-between videos how they really belong"? The first question is a little sick-making, but the second really depends on the con organizers. And really, there may not be an answer. Maybe it's truly not humor or drama, or any other single category. That's what expos and online distro are for.

No they do it on the forums afterward and yep I do take the stance of "if you want more comedy then make it' But doesn't make it less annoyingnor easier to stand up to it. And some people I think do consider where their video best fits, and usually those are vids that are smack dab in the middle. Others enter contests just to win and that will in part decide where they send it and which category. That's what I disagree with.

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:32 pm

If the Tekko forums start that crap, I'll go around the city with a whiffle bat and knock sense into 'em.

Scintilla, a lot of those videos suck. It sounds noble to encourage them, but are you actually watching them? No. It's kind of cold comfort to be told "nobody likes it, but good on ya!" That said, they may go on to improve, and I hope they stay with it.

The few who are brilliant AND motivated straight out of the gate, well, obviously everyone loves them; that goes without saying.

Tangential. Sorry.