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[Undertow]

Hmm, well Zelda might be considered anime by whoever is in charge of that stuff... I dunno. Since the original Zelda property was Japanese, perhaps American-derivative works are allowed as well ^^

Isn't that the same issue with Transformers, because for as far as i know the cartoons came from america (i'm not sure, but i think this is right) and it is allowed here. But then again, i know that Transformers is a bit of a hard to place item in the entire anime genre, since i think it was never really cleared up where it came from.

But then again, i might be wrong here

[AMVfreak]

perhaps American-derivative works are allowed as well ^^

That is an interesting and good point.

But that would still be considered american cartoon, which is not allowed here, no

[mvmarcz]

Aren't most American cartoons animated in Korea?

I would rather see anime become a genre and not a geographic designation but, oh well

I agree with you. But then again I don't see how the people around here get so upset when someone mentions a non anime amv when there are plenty up listed in the org. Yes I know it's in the rules but if it isn't allowed why is there a confirmed non anime feature?


I digress...I don't want to possibly start a tiff here ^-^;;;;;;;

Yes most american shows are animated over seas by people who don't know english and are most decidedly asian.

And I personally think putting strict labels on animation hurts the artform.
But then again I also think people who say "any animation other than anime is horrble and I refuse to watch it" are the silliest people on the planet(and yes I've known people who say that).

[Radman]

Think back to those shows like "thundercats" or movies like "The Hobbit" or "The Last Unicorn". My mom said that back when she was a teenager, they [the people who made such animations] were the more "artistic" ones in the industry. Do we consider such things as NOT anime? They're as japanese as japanese shows from the same time period. Remember, anime ORIGINATED from american animation after WWII. The farther back you go (20, 30, 40 years) you see that japanese and american animation are uncannily alike.
So where is the boundary? Should there be one at all? Naturally, like the Old-time otaku to the new anime fan, precautions must be considered, while at the same time we try to broaden our horizons. We want to include as much as possible, but we don't want to make anime music videos into simply "animation" music videos. This is a topic which will need answering, and soon, with the introduction of increasingly more and more japanese-like american-made cartoons.
Just my two cents. Hope I've turned on a few brains out there to a rather serious issue to AMVers everywhere.

[bum]

Whats so serios about the issue? The standard defenition for anime here is animation created in japan. Be that hand drawn frames, cgi scenes made for a game, whatever. If less than 50% of the footage is anime you cant upload it onto the database. Spend $10 a month on a web page and a few GB of bandwidth (you should be able to get at least 20GB for $10) and host your vid thier. Its not hard. Thers nothing serios or complicated. Its something simple which for some reason alot of people cant seem to get their heads.around.

[Radman]

I hate to disagree, but I have to say that when AMV's become a difference in geography rather than art (which is what this is all about) is when the "Anime" in AMV becomes more of an "footage made in Japan" tag instead of an indicator to what animation style we're all about.
To further my point, what about american anime? As the market grows (and it IS growing), American companies will try more and more to duplicate the style of Japanese studios. If you can't tell the difference between an american animated cartoon and a japanese cartoon, what then? Will we differentiate just because the color of the creator's skin or the location the anime was made? That's racist and unfair to both the creators of the anime and the people who want to call themselves AMVers, even if the anime is american-made (or european or any other place). What about american companies that hire or work in coordination with japanese studios? Its all just animation.
I'm not saying to any extent that we should simply except any sort of animation or anime for that matter. That's why I feel this is complicated. However, I feel its high time we start dropping our stupid biases towards anime that isn't japanese. We only distance ourselves more from being real artists AND appreciaters of art that way.
Remember, anime means "animation," not just japanese animation (face it, we don't like the name "japanimation"). So "Anime Music Video" means "Animation music video". Think about that.

[Jnzk]

According to this site's definition, anime means Japanese animation. It's all about geography. Personally you can define anime any way you like.