Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby Rider4Z » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:03 am

Kitsuner wrote:
Rider4Z wrote:well another example would be to use a crop effect to cut out lip flap. i wouldn't consider that a "use of effects" video.

And those are covered in the category description.

well there ya go then.

on the reverse side tho i think it's silly for a video that uses minimal effects simply to add flow to be considered a "special effects" video. when i think special effects i picture videos like Auriga or Rah Hey!, videos that clearly take advantage of difficult and artistic editing techniques. 'course i'm technically in the wrong thread to talk about this subject but i'm merely trying to make the same point but backwards.

this is still just me but i'll bet there are others who feel the same.
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby Kitsuner » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:35 am

Rider4Z wrote:on the reverse side tho i think it's silly for a video that uses minimal effects simply to add flow to be considered a "special effects" video. when i think special effects i picture videos like Auriga or Rah-Hey, videos that clearly take advantage of difficult and artistic editing techniques. 'course i'm technically in the wrong thread to talk about this subject but i'm merely trying to make the same point but backwards.

this is still just me but i'll bet there are others who feel the same.

Are you arguing in favor of labeling these videos with "minimal effects simply to add flow" (let's call it MESTAF) as effectsless then? Or are you saying they are unable to (or shouldn't have to) compete in the same category as videos that use effects in a more obvious way? What specific videos are you thinking about when you say MESTAF?
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby Rider4Z » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:44 pm

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Rider4Z wrote:on the reverse side tho i think it's silly for a video that uses minimal effects simply to add flow to be considered a "special effects" video. when i think special effects i picture videos like Auriga or Rah-Hey, videos that clearly take advantage of difficult and artistic editing techniques. 'course i'm technically in the wrong thread to talk about this subject but i'm merely trying to make the same point but backwards.

this is still just me but i'll bet there are others who feel the same.

Are you arguing in favor of labeling these videos with "minimal effects simply to add flow" (let's call it MESTAF) as effectsless then? Or are you saying they are unable to (or shouldn't have to) compete in the same category as videos that use effects in a more obvious way? What specific videos are you thinking about when you say MESTAF?

well i wasn't really attempting a hostile takeover or anything, just a general opinion i have about what defines "special effects" videos and "no-effects" videos.

my examples of what qualifies as a "SE" video are , , and . now these videos clearly show advanced skills in editing and purposefully show them off well in these projects.

examples of a "NE" video are more obvious, , , and . straight cuts and crossfades.

and then you have the middle ground area that uses a combination of the two styles to one extreme or another. i'll use 2 of my vids for this example, i used a lot of blending techniques and transitional blurs whatnot. now granted i used effects for the artistic design, but when i think "SE" video my mind always comes to what Koop or Nostromo come up with: and blatant use of special effects. i'm not saying i think Fairytale belongs in the "no-effects" category, just simply that the effects weren't the focus of the video. >>>Now on the other hand, the minimal amount of effects i used on this video were simply used for illusions to create flow. Being nominated for "best use of special effects" is just silly in my opinion. i mean it's appreciated but are we really that hard up for special effect videos this year or something?

but again this is just my opinion. others may feel differently. i guess what would be ideal in my mind would be a third category that i only thought of now. "Best NO-Effects", "Best Special Effects" and "Best Use of Effects", the latter meant for the middle ground.
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:52 pm

Just because a video is good or entertaining doesn't nessisarily mean it should qualify for an award. There are some types of videos that just don't hit those categories. They're still good, but they're not covered. There's a tipping point where this all just becomes kindergarden "gold stars for everyone" territory.
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby Rider4Z » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:54 pm

eh, true enough. but that just means i'll continue to vote/judge as i see fit.
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby NS » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:14 pm

Da beat didn't even get in past nominations. I'm dying slowly.
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby Kitsuner » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:21 pm

Rider4Z wrote:but again this is just my opinion. others may feel differently. i guess what would be ideal in my mind would be a third category that i only thought of now. "Best NO-Effects", "Best Special Effects" and "Best Use of Effects", the latter meant for the middle ground.

I guarantee you that both of those last two categories would have the same winner.

The only point to giving an award to a video that barely doesn't qualify for the Not Very Effective Award would be that the winning video gets one more award. There is no intrinsic value to effects in any amount. It all depends on their usage, and we already have an award for that.

I agree with you about videos being nominated purely through name recognition is silly. Hell, maybe half the current nominees were chosen that way. Adding new (particularly overlapping) categories doesn't solve that problem though. If anything, it just makes it worse.
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby Ileia » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:29 pm

Rider4Z wrote:when i think "SE" video my mind always comes to what Koop or Ileia or Nostromo come up with: and blatant use of special effects.


:rofl:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that you haven't seen many of my videos. There's maybe a handful out of a hundred of my AMVs that use anything other than fades/zooms. :lol:

And since you used RAH HEY! as an example, I'd like to point out that that's just screen-captured footage with box overlays. Nowhere near "advanced". :sweat:
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby Kitsuner » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:31 pm

Ileia wrote:
Rider4Z wrote:when i think "SE" video my mind always comes to what Koop or Ileia or Nostromo come up with: and blatant use of special effects.


:rofl:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that you haven't seen many of my videos. There's maybe a handful out of a hundred of my AMVs that use anything other than fades/zooms. :lol:

And since you used RAH HEY! as an example, I'd like to point out that that's just screen-captured footage with box overlays. Nowhere near "advanced". :sweat:

To be fair, you use Magix. That means all of your videos are automatically effects.
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby Rider4Z » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:57 am

Kitsuner wrote:I guarantee you that both of those last two categories would have the same winner.

The only point to giving an award to a video that barely doesn't qualify for the Not Very Effective Award would be that the winning video gets one more award. There is no intrinsic value to effects in any amount. It all depends on their usage, and we already have an award for that.

I agree with you about videos being nominated purely through name recognition is silly. Hell, maybe half the current nominees were chosen that way. Adding new (particularly overlapping) categories doesn't solve that problem though. If anything, it just makes it worse.
you'd probably be right about the majority of people not voting "correctly" or making the proper distinction between the two.

Maybe it's a category that would be more appropriate for the JCAs since they actually put a little more effort into choosing appropriate winners...

Ileia wrote: :rofl:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that you haven't seen many of my videos. There's maybe a handful out of a hundred of my AMVs that use anything other than fades/zooms. :lol:

And since you used RAH HEY! as an example, I'd like to point out that that's just screen-captured footage with box overlays. Nowhere near "advanced". :sweat:

oh you :awesome:
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby Ileia » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:40 pm

Yeah, I'm not really joking. I barely ever use effects.
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby Rider4Z » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:25 pm

if there was an edit button in this thread i would remove your name promptly.
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:51 pm

Rider4Z wrote:if there was an edit button in this thread i would remove your name promptly.

There in fact is.
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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

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Re: Best No-Effects Video (The Not Very Effective Award)

Postby Shin-AMV » Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:42 pm

Dreamer
I absolutely love this video. Great pacing, great atmosphere, and great scene selection. Whimsical, playful, and enjoyable all around, I don't have that many complaints or much else to say about this video. Effective use of match cuts and crossfades.

Hold on To That Feeling
I really like this video. Its a fun watch but I prefer some of the other videos in this category a little more. It has great pacing and flow along with some pretty slick internal and beat syncing elements. My only complaint is that some of the anime sources look strange together in one video like Ah My Goddess with Macross Frontier, but its a minor complaint if anything.

I'm a Kitty Cat
Meow Meow Meow. A fun silly watch, but I think all the other videos in the category have more lasting appeal then a silly meme parody.

Soul Removal
Well put together considering it was made for a 72-hour IC contest. Good Pacing, good beat syncing. The scene selection is a little strange towards the end with getting stabbed is set to the lyrics about it being a good life, but the overall video is hardly lyrically synced anyways and if you let yourself get taken in by the atmosphere is a pretty solid watch.

The Pretty Cure for the Common Magical Girl
Epic magical girls is epic. Pretty insane syncage all over the place and its got this sweet magical ass kicking vibe all throughout and fun silly moments as well. Some people complain that it cuts out at the end and that it switches to something else entirely, but I found that enjoyable still. Overall a really fun and upbeat piece.

For this category I would say my pick is between Dreamer and The Pretty Cure. I think Dreamer has a very slight edge though. |:>
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