Took three years to plan, two months to edit, and a helluva lot of coke with lime to finish. Be warned, SPOILERZ LOL.
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Kimagure Orange Road: Some Other Beginning's End
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Kionon
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Kionon
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Ashyukun
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One thing you may want to update in the description- you only list the TV series and OAVs, but the video very obviously (if nothing else, Hikaru's "Bang!" scene is a dead giveaway) uses the Movie as well. Other than that (which just threw me for a loop from what I was expecting source-wise), not bad- the instrument sync segments just seemed to go on too long for my taste, though... I've found that for me, a modest amount of instrumental sync can add to a video, but sitting essentially on one scene just syncing an instrument for a long time gets boring fast, especially if it's not really tightly synced.
Nice to see older-school anime still being used for videos, though!
Nice to see older-school anime still being used for videos, though!
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The movie is considered an OAV on the ORG. The movie mentioned is Summer's Beginning, which is Shin KOR. Go look for yourself, I considered adding it, but I'd need to get the other entry renamed to Shin KOR instead of KOR Movie first.
Not bad is a really general statement. And it certainly holds a bit of hesitation and negative connotation. Can you be more specific?
I just lost my entire long updated description when the org logged me out. It explained everything I did and why. The instrumental scenes were supposed to remind you of an 80s MTV video. Repetative, and perhaps cheesy, but intentional.
Not bad is a really general statement. And it certainly holds a bit of hesitation and negative connotation. Can you be more specific?
I just lost my entire long updated description when the org logged me out. It explained everything I did and why. The instrumental scenes were supposed to remind you of an 80s MTV video. Repetative, and perhaps cheesy, but intentional.
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Ashyukun
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The original movie being listed as an OAV is something I'll have to talk to Ian about getting changed... that is pretty confusing, since there are of course actual KOR OAVs in addition to I Want to Return to that Day and Shin KOR. Thanks for clearing that up.
Overall, I'd say that the video is pretty good, but there were some things that just didn't quite click quite right with me that keep me from considering it to be really good, some of which are probably pretty unique to me. A few of the cuts and fades (particularly one or two early on) just seemed to be a bit off from when I thought they would have worked best. There was also the previously mentioned instrument sync. I can somewhat see what you mean about the 80's style videos, but it still feels like it drags on at points. My general view is that if you have to be explaining something in the writeup for people to get it and they can't just from watching the video, you've not done as good a job as you should have on what you were trying to do. (obviously there are exceptions for heavy inside jokes in some videos... the 'Kevin Caldwell' card in Suberunker's recent 1985 video would be such an example...) The last one with the bass guitar and the zoom-fade with the drums in particular just didn't sit quite right, because neither the drumming on the set nor the strumming on the bass come close to matching what is being played in the song itself.
Speaking of drums, that was another thing that just sort of didn't sit quite right with me- Kyousuke's playing the drums in the earlier instrument-sync sequence. The match with the drumming in that section is much closer to the drumming in the song than the later one, but that's not my problem with it- it's a problem of that particular sequence being one of the more powerful in the anime, with Kyousuke channeling his frustration and confusion over what has been happening into the drums. As silly as it probably sounds, it just seems wrong to see such a powerful scene used for an instrument sync. In that same sequence is another problem that from the technical side of things as opposed to the 'feel' or direction- but it's also something you should be able to fix pretty easily. If you watch it, it looks like there's a sudden flashing jump in the piano player's hands fairly regularly. I tossed the video into VDub and looked at it frame by frame, and there is a really badly deinterlaced/frame blended frame there where you can clearly see the hands both up above the piano and down on it in the same frame for just one frame- the frames on either side are of the hands up. It was a technical glitch that really drew my eyes to it and was distracting from the flow of the video. There was some jitter elsewhere that would likely have been the result of interlacing problems- but it wasn't really enough to be distracting, and I'm quite familiar with how annoying the KOR footage can be to work with at times.
Finally- and again this is something I don't know a whole lot of people who really take into consideration (and that I have been known to overlook if the video really does an excellent job in its direction)- was that while the lyric-matching was done very well, 'Closing Time' is a song where the lyrics of the song don't directly match up with what the song is about (or at least what I've always interpreted the song to be about). I guess to me, the video wasn't quite strong enough to overcome that preconceived notion and sit well with the direction it went.
But, like I said (or I think I did, I typed far too much.... as usual...)- it's a good video, it was just those things that kept it- for me- from being a great one.
Overall, I'd say that the video is pretty good, but there were some things that just didn't quite click quite right with me that keep me from considering it to be really good, some of which are probably pretty unique to me. A few of the cuts and fades (particularly one or two early on) just seemed to be a bit off from when I thought they would have worked best. There was also the previously mentioned instrument sync. I can somewhat see what you mean about the 80's style videos, but it still feels like it drags on at points. My general view is that if you have to be explaining something in the writeup for people to get it and they can't just from watching the video, you've not done as good a job as you should have on what you were trying to do. (obviously there are exceptions for heavy inside jokes in some videos... the 'Kevin Caldwell' card in Suberunker's recent 1985 video would be such an example...) The last one with the bass guitar and the zoom-fade with the drums in particular just didn't sit quite right, because neither the drumming on the set nor the strumming on the bass come close to matching what is being played in the song itself.
Speaking of drums, that was another thing that just sort of didn't sit quite right with me- Kyousuke's playing the drums in the earlier instrument-sync sequence. The match with the drumming in that section is much closer to the drumming in the song than the later one, but that's not my problem with it- it's a problem of that particular sequence being one of the more powerful in the anime, with Kyousuke channeling his frustration and confusion over what has been happening into the drums. As silly as it probably sounds, it just seems wrong to see such a powerful scene used for an instrument sync. In that same sequence is another problem that from the technical side of things as opposed to the 'feel' or direction- but it's also something you should be able to fix pretty easily. If you watch it, it looks like there's a sudden flashing jump in the piano player's hands fairly regularly. I tossed the video into VDub and looked at it frame by frame, and there is a really badly deinterlaced/frame blended frame there where you can clearly see the hands both up above the piano and down on it in the same frame for just one frame- the frames on either side are of the hands up. It was a technical glitch that really drew my eyes to it and was distracting from the flow of the video. There was some jitter elsewhere that would likely have been the result of interlacing problems- but it wasn't really enough to be distracting, and I'm quite familiar with how annoying the KOR footage can be to work with at times.
Finally- and again this is something I don't know a whole lot of people who really take into consideration (and that I have been known to overlook if the video really does an excellent job in its direction)- was that while the lyric-matching was done very well, 'Closing Time' is a song where the lyrics of the song don't directly match up with what the song is about (or at least what I've always interpreted the song to be about). I guess to me, the video wasn't quite strong enough to overcome that preconceived notion and sit well with the direction it went.
But, like I said (or I think I did, I typed far too much.... as usual...)- it's a good video, it was just those things that kept it- for me- from being a great one.
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Kionon
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Well, there is one thing I disagree with. This video was not made for the general populous. It was, however, made for people like you. KOR fans. And if I hadn't lost my description, which I am really loathe to write again because it was so long, you'd see that every single choice I made was lyrically synched not only to what was on the screen but to the metaphorical understanding of a coherent storyline. I'm saddened you missed it, it means that indeed I did not do my job correctly. You, above everyone else on the org, should have gotten it all. 
In retrospect I agree with your comment about Kyosuke's drum solo, but frankly, I am not talented enough yet to have figured out what better to do with instrumental scenes. Furthermore, I did want to include some instruments, because it is a consistent motif throughout the series. Thanks for the explanation though. I just wish you had been available during the editing process. None of my beta-watchers knew KOR. You could have been very valuable.
In retrospect I agree with your comment about Kyosuke's drum solo, but frankly, I am not talented enough yet to have figured out what better to do with instrumental scenes. Furthermore, I did want to include some instruments, because it is a consistent motif throughout the series. Thanks for the explanation though. I just wish you had been available during the editing process. None of my beta-watchers knew KOR. You could have been very valuable.
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Ashyukun
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One thing to clear up, it wasn't that I didn't think there was a coherent storyline in the video- what I understood it as being was showing the end of the close friendship between Hikaru and Ayukawa as both openly went after Kyousuke and their moving on after the split, with Ayukawa being with Kyousuke and Hikaru moving past it and diving into her dancing. I guess that just didn't quite click together with how I've always interpreted the song with it being about the birth of a child. Putting more thought into it, I can see the potential parallel between that and Ayukawa and Hikaru beginning new lives separate from each other- but it wasn't something that just meshed in immediately while watching the video.
The instrument-sync scenes were not all bad- and with a show like KOR where music and instruments are an important part of it (though the most prevalent one, Ayukawa's sax, is really hard to do instrumental sync with simply for many songs people use just not having a sax part or a part that could be faked with it) it's not at all a bad way to handle some of the instrumental segments. The section of the video after the piano section I mentioned before with the faster-cut, brighter shots worked pretty well IMO, as the shorter cuts kept it moving and interesting and didn't allow for really closely scrutinizing whether or not the movements of the players matched up with what would be required to make the music. This is something that I am probably more of a stickler on than most- being something of a classical musician and knowing how to play a number of instruments, it really catches my eye fast when an instrument is being played and doesn't match up with the music. This can be handled by either working to sync up the instrument better, which can be hard depending on the footage available, cutting between them fast enough to not really let someone lock onto whether they're being played in sync or not, or using shots of the musicians that don't include the instruments but where they are obviously playing (i.e., bust-framed shots of guitar players, etc.). There is of course always a limit to how close you can get it, and you've got to balance between the amount of work getting a closer sync will take and how close you want it to be.
Sorry, don't mean to lecture... instrument sync is just something I've dealt with a bit too much myself over the last year.
The instrument-sync scenes were not all bad- and with a show like KOR where music and instruments are an important part of it (though the most prevalent one, Ayukawa's sax, is really hard to do instrumental sync with simply for many songs people use just not having a sax part or a part that could be faked with it) it's not at all a bad way to handle some of the instrumental segments. The section of the video after the piano section I mentioned before with the faster-cut, brighter shots worked pretty well IMO, as the shorter cuts kept it moving and interesting and didn't allow for really closely scrutinizing whether or not the movements of the players matched up with what would be required to make the music. This is something that I am probably more of a stickler on than most- being something of a classical musician and knowing how to play a number of instruments, it really catches my eye fast when an instrument is being played and doesn't match up with the music. This can be handled by either working to sync up the instrument better, which can be hard depending on the footage available, cutting between them fast enough to not really let someone lock onto whether they're being played in sync or not, or using shots of the musicians that don't include the instruments but where they are obviously playing (i.e., bust-framed shots of guitar players, etc.). There is of course always a limit to how close you can get it, and you've got to balance between the amount of work getting a closer sync will take and how close you want it to be.
Sorry, don't mean to lecture... instrument sync is just something I've dealt with a bit too much myself over the last year.
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Kionon
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You got the majority of the major plot points, and without me telling you either. WIN. It does mean I communicated something effectively, even if we saw the song in completely different lights. When I heard Closing Time, I saw KOR. That's how most of my videos develop. Involuntarily. I hear a song, and while listening to it, see the anime. By the time I begin editing, the video is already done in my head.
I actually was talking about Kyosuke as well, as he was the "singer," but many of the scenes were indeed supposed to tell you about the end of the trio, the restructuring of the relationship between Madoka and Hikaru, and definitely one of the major points was speaking about Hikaru throwing herself into her dancing/acting. I am EXTREMELY pleased you got these. It's nice to know I was effective with my story coherency.
I actually was talking about Kyosuke as well, as he was the "singer," but many of the scenes were indeed supposed to tell you about the end of the trio, the restructuring of the relationship between Madoka and Hikaru, and definitely one of the major points was speaking about Hikaru throwing herself into her dancing/acting. I am EXTREMELY pleased you got these. It's nice to know I was effective with my story coherency.