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Review what you like?

Post by Arigatomina » Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:04 pm

Now, I've been reviewing amvs based on the idea that if I took the time to download it, I should repay the creator by giving feedback on it. But with the rating scale and reputations and such, is it better to only review videos you enjoyed? With the op exchange and beginning editors it's different. If a person asks for feedback, they want it whether you enjoyed the video or not. But when you're getting videos just because the title caught your eye, or someone told you it was good, should you review it whether you personally liked it or not? I do.

I know there was a case a while back where a video had some wonderful reviews, all from people who 'loved' it. And others were angry because they didn't like it or feel it deserved those ratings. So the general consensus was that once people who liked *and* didn't like it gave reviews, the ratings would be true. You'd have a mixed bag and if more people liked it than didn't, you could put weight on the rating system.

So what's the general consensus here? Should you feel free to review anything, or should you only review amvs you like? Now, if you're asked to review something, you don't have a choice in what you're watching, so that's a different matter. But I like to see the videos that everyone likes, and once I've downloaded one, I want to review it. Should I not review if my preferences differ from the norm? Is it 'better for the site' if people only review (and praise) amvs they enjoyed?

It's just something I've been thinking about since I realized a reviewer has the power to 'hurt' someone. And I realized that if I only reviewed videos I loved I would have about 10 reviews - 3 of them for my own videos. And believe me, that would suck. :? So what's the general opinion here?

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Post by EarthCurrent » Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:10 pm

So long as you feel that you can provide some sort of "constructive" feedback, there's no reason you shouldn't give a review, even if you didn't like it.

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Post by Tash » Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:16 pm

Well I only review videos I like, because I don't wanna review a bad video. Mainly because you gotta watch it a few times to write a good OP.
But I also write reviews for videos that dont deserve high scores that has high scores. To smack some reality in the creator so he knows its not 9 work.

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Post by ithaqua » Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:19 pm

Don't be pointlessly vindictive.
Don't point out the same flaw more than once.
Be supportive.
Mention the parts you liked.
Suggest ways to improve the parts you didn't like.



As long as the person receiving the review realizes that it's meant to be helpful, and not a personal attack, there should be no problem.


As for keeping opinions to yourself if they "differ from the norm", don't. Ever. They're your opinions, not anyone elses, and you have a right to them.
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Post by Arigatomina » Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:28 pm

I admit, the first few reviews I made after I joined weren't very constructive. I merely let a few creators know how much I enjoyed the videos without pointing out anything that could be a flaw. But I try to be constructive now, noting things the creator might not have thought about, or commenting on things that had a good effect on me as one type of viewer. I like to think people want various oppinions on their work, and to know how different people will view it differently. I've found a few vids that I simply couldn't review because they were either too good for me to comment on anything (aside from saying I loved it), or they were so bad I didn't have the heart to tell them (or the time to tear it apart second by second).

But I don't mean going out of your way to find videos you know you hate (like me randomly attacking yuri vids). I just mean, when it comes to reviewing, people seem to only review vids they loved or ones they feel deserve a lower score.

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Post by turboneko » Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:23 pm

I am mostly for reviewing what I like, even though I always try to leave constructive criticism. I've revewed a few bad videos mainly because:

1) I was offering free reviews on the op exchange forum

2) There was some newbie making such a fuss about THE GRETEST VID EVAR in the annoucement forum

In full honesty, I like more reviewing bad videos since I feel like I can give out helpful hints. If anybody is interested, here is a review that I left for a linkin ball Z vid a while ago (sorry for the crappy english, but it's not my mother tongue :P):
GOOD
Ok, now I know what you are thinking:

"What did I do to this guy to have such a bad review for my video?"

Well, I'm really not for harsh or flaming reviews... I'll try to explain clearly what I think of this video, what in my point of view is good and what should be improved. Ready to go?

Before I could build any kind of opinion on this video I tried to watch it three or four times without prejudice of any type. I've just cleared my mind and thought "this is not a dragonball Z / linkin park video".

It worked for the first 15 seconds ^^;

But it's not your video which is _that_ bad, believe me. It's just that you incurred in the usual pitfalls of AMV making (especially with this kind of subject).

But let's start with order. Since this box is about good stuff, let's see what is well done in your video.

First of all, even if there are another ton of Vegeta tributes, I have to say that focusing on a single character for all the video has been probably a good idea. Too much times you see dbz videos full o' stuff that is going on without any apparent reason... the problem is that the series has really _too_ much to fit everything in one video (and many people simply don't realize it :p).
So here we have got a Vegeta video... uhm, Vegeta is my favourite dbz character, you know? I think that is probably the only one with some kind of thicker charaterization: he really stands up above all the others... but this is more about the series than about your video, I know ^^

In full honesty I have to say that I haven't completely disliked your editing style. The pace of the images flows well with the song, and your cuts seem to be (almost) all in place. The video is also quite packed with action, so (especially for dbz fans) it could result in an entairtaining show indeed.

To dwell a little bit more into the technical side, let's examine the points I liked more in the video:


0:10 - probably very stupid for the most part of the people, but that shot of Vegeta sitting in the train is really fitting with the music

1:36 the lens of the glasses blowing is right on the spot

1:45 the "residual images" effect looks cool in this point

2:31 the transition is quite cheesy but works good and is very well timed

2:57 the interleaved scene looks good and manages to support the mood of the song in that point

The ending is quite well timed also... and I also liked the timing when your final bumper kicks in. Hmmmm... I think that I'm done with this box. Now I'll go to lunch and I'll finish the rest later ^^

BAD
And now the bad news...

I personally don't dislike Linkin Park: they don't do my favourite type of music, this is true, but I haven't developed a deep hate towrds them as some other people in this site :p
And I have to say that some of their songs (Crawling included) have lyrics which can actually match pretty well many types of anime. My question is now: have you tried to turn those lyrics to your advantage inside this video?

As you can understand this is a rethoric question: infact the most part of the time you seem not putting attention to what the lyrics suggest, launching yourself in what I call the "crazy times" editing (basically throwing some random scenes over the music).
I am not so proud to announce you that you've fallen into the pitfall #1 of AMV making:

"This song is cool, this anime is cool: let's make a video out of them"

I know that you wanted to make more specifically a Vegeta tribute, but your idea fades away in a succession of clips (almost) uncorrelated one with another. But let's give a closer look to the video:


0:54 "There's something inside me that pulls beneath the surface". The image is completely off place with this line.

1:02 "This lack of self control I fear is never ending". Another time a random scene where you could have put millions of more fitting clips (do you want to tell me that there is nothing where Vegeta shows "lack of self control"? :p)

1:13 "My walls are closing in..." maybe we can see some kind of metaphor here, but the scene with Brolly isn't really fitting, sorry.

~1:20 "I felt this way before, so insecure". Another time an example of a bad scene selection. I haven't watched the series and I haven't watched the movies: I've only read the manga... but still I can think of one million of scenes fitting better this lyric than the one you've chosen.


I could go on like this for almost all the duration of the video and find out each single "random" scene I see... but you probably don't want to hear that, and I think I already made my point.
As you can see this video suffers greatly of a lack of planning, and let me tell you: in the end it _does_ really matter this time :p

After watching it a couple of times I went back to the video description to find out some details about the cration process you followed for this AMV. And I found out that

"I made this video in 4 hours or something..."

Oh great, that explains everything. If you make a video in four mere hours then you can't have that much planning behind it, no? :p
But with this I don't intend to criticize you in any way... I only want to make you understand that making an AMV is like making a composition. You should have a subject, and some ideas that you develop during the course of your creation which will end up in some kind of conclusion.

This video, instead, has no point at all: it's just a bunch of clips over one song (pretty well timed, I give this to you)... and this is disarming since the song gives you dozens of hooks to put some meaningful stuff.

I think that this is the biggest issue I have against this video (as most of the other dbz / LP videos). Minor issues concern editing (good but not so great in some points) and audio / video quality in general. But it's all stuff you can deal with if you are not discouraged by the (*thunder crackles*) combo used in this AMV.


GENERAL
Ok, here we go to the part I like less: the ratings. Here you will understand more _why_ I chose those number to grade your video.
Here we go:

ORIGINALITY: well, I didn't put 1 just because the editing doesn't suck and you portraited Vegeta which is one of the most interesting characters in the series. But the video doesn't really add anything new to the 136 dbz/lp videos already listed here (among which 19 are dbz / crawling videos)

VIDEO QUALITY: I've seen worse this is true. But the mixed bag of tv series / movies clips is quite annoying (the image keep switching from widescreen to fullscreen) and some of the footage doesn't look so good (download, uh? :p)

AUDIO QUALITY: I wasn't blown away that's sure. But compared to the small file size I think it's not that bad.

ACTION SYNC: the best part of the video, really. At least you can watch it without saying "Oh my god!! How could he possibly have missed THAT BEAT?!?!?"

LIP SYNC: Haven't seen any (or they are worst that I can possibly imagine :p) so the score is set to N/A

DIGITAL EFFECTS: I was tempted to set the score to N/A also, but if you did the "residual image" effect then you deserve something. Aside from that the video doesn't present anything special (basically some layering and cross fades) so the score is on the average (five).

EFFORT: Let's see what our friend Phade says about this field "1 = Followed the music + random scenes = video blunder". Hmmmm... at least the randomness of the scenes is confined to only one character, so I think that the score should not be really one. But you should put more work into your storytelling and assembling if you want to score well here.

OVERALL: My friend AbsoluteDestiny once said: "Doing dbz linkin park amvs to random clips is like trying to do a cover version of your fave song by air guitaring. You have lots of fun but to everyone else it's the worst rendition os rock n roll they've ever witnessed". I think that this sentence explains pretty much my feeling towards this video.

RE-VIEW: Just another dragonball / linkin park video. Maybe better edited, but still with nothing to pull it over the mass of other similar videos. I won't probably watch it again.


Alright, I think this is pretty much it. I hope I haven't killed your enthusiasm in AMV making with this review, but I've expressed my opinion in full honesty. Work hard on your next videos, try to find a solid concept and increase the audio visual quality: eventually you will make very good AMVs ;)

Good luck!
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Post by Dead_Pool » Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:34 pm

I will review ones I liked, I don't like slamming peeps, and if I don't like it at all I will tell them but not review it, cause maybe I just can't see what they intended to do, some peoples editing stlyes fit more to what you like, and you can see there vision better.

Or maybe it just plain old sucked but if you review with really bad scores it might get ignored and not watched at all. I really don't know its a fine line.
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Post by XenoDrake » Thu Jul 31, 2003 2:39 am

im curently at 120 reviews. way back in the day, i DLed everything and anything that had music or anime i liked. and oped it. now i take requests, cuz i havent DLed an AMV for myself in a long time, the inflowing of just total crap kinda stoped me from wanting to see anything new on a whim. but i wont pass up a time to tell someone what i think about an AMV. and now i always try to seperat my review into what i personaly thought and a "reason for the numbers" part, as i feel the system used for the numbers is just not good enough to tell what i want them to.

just look at the reviews page for omnis vid from the flying fish review thingy, ^_^
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Post by OmniStrata » Thu Jul 31, 2003 7:42 am

I'll review anything and everything from my most objective viewpoints. Why people would like it, why other people wouldn't etc...

The only reason I think people only review vids they liked is because they are afraid of "vengeance" reviews...

I for one don't care about that since I believe your best vids that are legendary will always recieve vengeance reviews... [my vids aren't good, hence they never get any :cry: :cry: ]

So, as long as you're constructive and tell them from your gut what's wrong and what can be done to fix it, I don't think anybody would be mad at you really... :D
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Post by Arigatomina » Thu Jul 31, 2003 8:05 am

Well, as far as I can tell, the only thing that would suffer from people reviewing vids they didn't like would *be* the reviewability. So long as you're reviewing critically (and not opinion-based), the video should get as good as it deserves - and the reviewability is a matter of taste, which changes for each person. But, that's the problem. If you only review what you like then vids are in competition based on overall scores. If people start reviewing vids they don't like, then reviewability becomes very important. I think that's the problem. I don't worry much about giving 'unfair' reviews when it comes to the other sections, it's only when I get to reviewability (where *my* opinion really matters). But I'm not going to stop reviewing everything I download - because I only download certain videos to begin with.

One of the reasons I've done a lot of videos I didn't like (check my sadly low reviewability average - 6.66 - evil ^_~ ), is because I ghost the announcement boards and the op exchange. If someone asks for feedback, I'm going to add the vid to my list and get it eventually, even if I don't have time to do an immediate exchange. The only vids I get for myself are ones that my favorite creators make, and ones for my preferred anime (it's pathetic how few downloadable yyh vids there are compared to the number of vid listings >.< ). But anyway, I was just curious how people reviewed, and whether anyone else did the 'if I download it, I'm reviewing it' bit. ^_^

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