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Anime Central 2003 Finalists and Winners

Postby dwchang » Mon May 19, 2003 11:40 pm

First off, BIG WARNING, I am not 100% positive on these results, but I am FAIRLY SURE on them.

Tryhil, Ashyukun, Koop and so on: if something is wrong PLEASE correct me.

First off, there were 105 entries and it was a VERY talented contest. It was difficult in itself to find three finalists for each category. All of you should be proud of yourselves.

Comedy:
Three Finalists:
1) The Chibi Things (that Kill) by Nappy
2) Who Let the Fro's Out by Ashyukun
3) Pokemon Never Die by Metro
Winner: The Chibi Things (that Kill) by Nappy

Theme: (the 80's)
Three Finalists:
1) Glory of Love by dwchang
2) Back to the Future by Unknown
3) The Kids are Back by RichLather (Note: Not positive this is the video, it's the only Twisted Sister/Akira video on the .org).
Winner: Back to the Future by Unknown

Action:
Three Finalists:
1) Midnight by Croik
2) Devil Within by Phreakazoid187
3) Phenomenon by Rubyeye
Winner: Phenomenon by Rubyeye

Drama:
Three Finalists:
1) My Fading Voice, Your Distant Heart by ShonenDizzyCow
2) Euphoria by Koopiskeva
3) Forever and Before by Jal0021
Winner: My Fading Voice, Your Distant Heart by ShonenDizzyCow

Original Concept:
Three Finalists:
1) Behind the Music: Black Heaven by Studio Hybrid
2) Who Let the Fro's Out by Ashyukun (Note: Unsure on this one)
3) The Animatrix Reloaded by You Choose Sam, the Rest
Winner: Behind the Music: Black Heaven by Studio Hybrid

Technical:
Three Finalists:
1) The Chibi Things (that Kill) by Nappy
2) Euphoria by Koopiskeva
3) Who Let the Fro's Out by Ashyukun
Winner: Euphoria by Koopiskeva

Best of Show:
Three Finalists:
1) Euphoria by Koopiskeva
2) Glory of Love by dwchang
3) The Chibi Things (that Kill) by Nappy
Winner: Midnight by Croik

(Note: I do not at ALL understand how this video won when it was not nominated.)

I am sure quite a few of you have a few things to say, so feel free. Hopefully we can answer questions. I am also sure a few other things will come up and hopefully we can figure that out too.

Hope this helps!
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Postby jal0021 » Mon May 19, 2003 11:56 pm

Ha! "Forever and Before" made the finals? Wow...I'm actually quite surprised. I never really thought of it as a contest-friendly video. It's good to see "My Fading Voice, Your Distant Heart" win, though. That's become one of my favorite videos.

Congrats to all the other finalists/winners. Time to start downloading some of the videos I haven't seen yet...
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Postby dwchang » Mon May 19, 2003 11:58 pm

jal0021 wrote:Ha! "Forever and Before" made the finals? Wow...I'm actually quite surprised. I never really thought of it as a contest-friendly video. It's good to see "My Fading Voice, Your Distant Heart" win, though. That's become one of my favorite videos.

Congrats to all the other finalists/winners. Time to start downloading some of the videos I haven't seen yet...


Your video was well...dramatic...that's what Drama is :). I might also add that drama was EASILY the strongest category this year.

I am however disappointed to say that Tryhil's Always video got cut.

BTW off-topic, but you live in TX. I live in Austin...and yet I'm the Iron Chef for a con in the Midwest :-P
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Postby Vancore » Tue May 20, 2003 12:10 am

hmm.. I think Midnight actually won in the action catagory and it was Phenomenon which won best Overall. I'm pretty sure The Animatrix reloaded won best concept or at least won something (Maybe it was an honorable mention).
Well I also could be wrong on these as well, but the other wins seemed right to me. Thank you for providing the links tho, I've got me some downloading to do.

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Postby dwchang » Tue May 20, 2003 12:15 am

Vancore wrote:hmm.. I think Midnight actually won in the action catagory and it was Phenomenon which won best Overall. I'm pretty sure The Animatrix reloaded won best concept or at least won something (Maybe it was an honorable mention).
Well I also could be wrong on these as well, but the other wins seemed right to me. Thank you for providing the links tho, I've got me some downloading to do.


I am 100% sure on Midnight and Phenomenon. As for Animatrix, I am 99.9% that it was Black Heaven as well.

Honorable Mentions were: Always, an Utena video, Who Let the Fros out and....something else :-P
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Re: Anime Central 2003 Finalists and Winners

Postby Metro » Tue May 20, 2003 12:31 am

dwchang wrote:Comedy:
Three Finalists:
...3) Pokemon Never Die by Metro...


Talk about a surprise. I didn't even enter Pokemon Never Die into the contest :shock:

I supposedly entered Everyday and Glory. I screwed up uploading everyday, but I thought it got fixed.

Also I was told that pwolf's Mitternacht was the overall winner?

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Postby Vancore » Tue May 20, 2003 12:43 am

dwchang wrote:Honorable Mentions were: Always, an Utena video, Who Let the Fros out and....something else :-P


Speaking of not showing in the contest, Always and the Utena videos didn't even make it into the contest but won honorable mentions. I thought that was a bit strange. They were good videos tho.

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Postby dwchang » Tue May 20, 2003 12:55 am

Vancore wrote:
dwchang wrote:Honorable Mentions were: Always, an Utena video, Who Let the Fros out and....something else :-P


Speaking of not showing in the contest, Always and the Utena videos didn't even make it into the contest but won honorable mentions. I thought that was a bit strange. They were good videos tho.



Damn I was really hoping some other ppl would reply and not JUST me since it looks bad, but basically....

Creators do the first round of judging to get finalists. We specifically added these videos to honorable mention b/c well...it was an injustice they were taken out in the first place. As for the FINAL judging...this is something I disagree with since the Guests get those finalists per category and choose out of them. I won't go into more details until well..HOPEFULLY others reply. This contest judging was NOT without mistakes....
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Re: Anime Central 2003 Finalists and Winners

Postby dwchang » Tue May 20, 2003 1:01 am

Metro wrote:
dwchang wrote:Comedy:
Three Finalists:
...3) Pokemon Never Die by Metro...


Talk about a surprise. I didn't even enter Pokemon Never Die into the contest :shock:

I supposedly entered Everyday and Glory. I screwed up uploading everyday, but I thought it got fixed.

Also I was told that pwolf's Mitternacht was the overall winner?


Well reading Croik's description of his video, he writes that he won best overall. All I know is it was a Hellsing video to a song like "midnight' or "mitternacht." As I said at the top I am not 100%, but in this one...well..it is hellsing and the guy does say that he won.
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Postby dwchang » Tue May 20, 2003 1:27 am

Forgot one of the awards

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Finalists
1) Public Service Announcement by SailorDeath
2) Without GTO by pmfreak
3) Unsure of the title, but it was a Vandread video to an Evanescence (sp) song by Frank Sanchez (ACen co-chair)
Winner: The Vandread video by Frank Sanchez.
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Postby Tom the Fish » Tue May 20, 2003 7:03 am

Huh, none of my videos made it. How I weep.

Oh well. Gratz to the winners.

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Utena video?

Postby suberunker » Tue May 20, 2003 7:58 am

Was the Honorable mention Utena video "The Two Shall Meet" and happened to use a lot of compositing?

Then I'd be very happy and sad at the same time.

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Re: Utena video?

Postby trythil » Tue May 20, 2003 8:18 am

suberunker wrote:Was the Honorable mention Utena video "The Two Shall Meet" and happened to use a lot of compositing?


Yes. It was. (Or at least it used a lot of compositing.)

Then I'd be very happy and sad at the same time.

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I dunno if this is any consolation, but we loved that thing...me especially :)

dwchang wrote:I am sure quite a few of you have a few things to say, so feel free. Hopefully we can answer questions. I am also sure a few other things will come up and hopefully we can figure that out too.

I'm not quite sure just how much I can comment on the whole thing, since we're basically sworn to secrecy over the entire process.

Though, just to clear things up, I didn't vote myself for that Honorable Mention...I hope I'm not saying too much.

I'm wondering how Midnight won Best of Show...I mean, it was pretty impressive and all, but considering that it wasn't even nominated for that category...meh, I dunno. Guest judging must have done something funny :P

Metro wrote:Talk about a surprise. I didn't even enter Pokemon Never Die into the contest

I supposedly entered Everyday and Glory. I screwed up uploading everyday, but I thought it got fixed.


You what?

Well, they showed it anyway..."Glory" is an awesome video.

...anyway, so I guess that's why you appearently had three entries...we were a little confused over that ;)

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Postby trythil » Tue May 20, 2003 8:29 am

Oh yeah, and I think that the "Back to the Future" video was by Animexcel (or so he's known on the ACen boards).

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Postby Ashyukun » Tue May 20, 2003 9:22 am

Dan- the last Honorable Mention was Nappy's second entry, "Can't Stop the Rock"

Vancore- I'm pretty certain that he's right about the winners- I was there for the announcement and presentation of the last 4 awards (Drama, Best in Show, Best Tech, and Best Original Concept). I missed the Staff, Action, and Theme awards. Admittedly, to my knowledge there has been no official announcement outside of the rather ghetto way the awards were handed out at the convention, so we can't totally put any questions about it to rest.

Three of the honorable mentions were recommended by the judges that did the pre-final judging, and they were basically used to reward videos that were deserving of recognition but had been unfairly (in our opinions) denied the chance to be seen by the 'larger' audience (see the end of this post on that...) by being excluded from the actual contest (two of them we still don't know why they were cut, one was cut due to being the editor's secondary entry). The last was apparently awarded by the final judges. It was also hinted to us when we asked whether or not we could make Honorable Mention recommendations that there was a good chance the finalists that were not actually awarded anything would be given HM's as well- which I'm actually rather pissed did not happen, as some excellent videos went otherwise unrecognized.

Metro- You know, I was wondring about that... at one point in the prescreening I actually went up and check with Julius and Quu as to whether you had two or three entries in the contest, and they only had two listed. I need to watch Everyday when I get back home- there was a Macross Plus video in the pre-screening, but I can't remember what music it was set to (I remember it in particular because the ending had a decent bit in common with my own Eden 12/24).

Glory was another one of our favorites... IIRC, it was one of the videos strongly in contention for the final 3 in Drama- but there were just so many excellent Drama vids... :?

Midnight/MITTERNACHT are the same thing (Mitternacht is German for 'Midnight').

Tom- Your videos were shown at the pre-screening, but I know at least the Hello Kitty video was not put into the contest due to having won at Anime Boston. I'm not sure about the other one- I remember there being another entry from you, but I don't remember exactly what it was :?

suberunker- Yes, that would likely have been your Utena video we're talking about. All of us loved it, and were rather put out that it (like trythil's "Always") was not in the actual contest. It was however shown during the AMV Iron Chef, and got a very good reaction from the audience.

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As Dan said, the contest was not without what we would call 'issues'. As was previously noted, the video that won "Best in Show" (I'm pretty damn sure it was MITTERNACHT, but even if it was Phenomenon) was not even one of the pre-final judging recommendations for "Best in Show". Nothing at all against MITTERNACHT- it's a damn good video- but the pre-final judges were quite certain and set in the three that were recommended for Best of Show. We were under the impression that the Guests of Honor that did the final judging would not only be given the tape of the videos that were in the final three of each category but also the list of recommendations (complete with their rankings from the pre-judging). Basically, what I think all of us were concerned would happen when we heard how the final judging would happen came true- the final judges in many cases threw out the pre-judging recommendations, in some cases quite spectacularly (i.e., Best of Show). Based on how things came out, it appears that the judges may have just been given a tape with all the finalist videos on it and told what the awards they had to choose were, and not even given the listing of what videos were supposed to be up for what awards- which would just really suck for a couple of the videos.

Of one particular concern was that I believe two of the three finals judges were Japanese Guests of Honor (I know at least one was from talking with her). To some extent, I think this was the case due to the way the awards worked out- The video that won Best in Show against the recommendations of the pre-judging was in a language (German) that likely none of the judges were really familiar with, and at least one and I think two of the winning videos were instrumentals. I especially think that the Japanese GoHs would have a realy hard time judging the Theme category well- as, well, what we consider nostalgic for the 80's would differ from what they would consider '80's'. I can't fault the finals judges though, all told. I'm sure they did their best. I just think that the whole concept of having a small number of Guests of Honor who may not be particularly in tune with AMVs is not a good idea. If the judges were, say, celebrity AMVers (for example, I would have been quite happy if EK or Brett Weaver had been judges) or video professionals, or at least directors.

I very seriously think things overall were not handled the best this year at all - on the non-technical side of things. I believe Quu and SailorDeath did a very good job of running the technical side of things and dealing with the few small problems that cropped up. But on the planning and execution of a number of the things, I think there were a lot of problems.

First off, the primary contest showing was held at 9:00 AM on Saturday. I'm used to seeing rooms packed for AMV contests at conventions. When the showing started (only 5 minutes or so late), the room couldn't have been more than 1/5 full. Contrast this with the pre-screening showing the night before starting at 7:00 PM in one of the panel rooms, where the room was packed, with people sitting on almost every available non-aisle floor space and standing severeal layers deep i nthe back of the room, many of whom stayed until after mid-night. I honestly think more people saw the first 3-4 hours of the pre-screening than saw the first half of the actual contest showing. The scheduling just truly and honestly sucked. Most of my friends that were at the con missed it because they (like a large number of the con-goers) simply weren't up and about that early.

Second, rules and blanked eliminations need to be applied evenly across the board and without exceptions. There were some good videos that were cut because of having not followed the rules (the 'no title card' rules on being the biggest one people didn't pay attention to) and several excluded due to the trolling rules. However, several were not taken out of the contest in spite of violations of these, which meant several other excellent videos that had not violated any rules at all got excluded.

Finally, all of the final judging had problems. It really felt like it was all thrown together at the last minute. Those of us who ended up doing the pre-judging were given very little direction as to what we should be judging and how we should be doing it- for a while there was even some confusion amongst us as to what the overall categories were. Add onto that what I would consider apparent problems with the true final judging, and the whole thing just went all to hell.

Given all of this, especially what seems to have happened with the final judging, I very strongly believe that ALL of the finalist videos Dan listed should be given Honorable Mentions. While I don't believe it would be fair to try and change the results, I very strongly believe that a few of the editors got very much screwed in the end, and that they at least deserve some form of official recognition for their efforts.

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(just an aside note: I do not count myself among those who got screwed over. Well, OK- I did get screwed over or more accurately rather badly pwned- but that was because Nappy made such a damn good video. :wink: His video(s) just rocked and blew the other comedy entries away.)
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