AWA PRO CONTEST DEADLINE APPROACHES!

Kusoyaro · Post by **Kusoyaro** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:27 pm

MCWagner wrote:I'm not altogether sure how I feel about this... no one's ever wanted to enter but not wanted to judge before. Is it fair to the other entries? What does everyone think?

I think it sets an unhealthy precedent, personally. I mean, he states some of his reasons as being that he doesn't want to pay for the DVDs, and he doesn't want to spend his time on judging. Well, shit or get off the pot. I don't think it's fair to the other entrants if he wants to reap the benefits of peer judging, but can't be bothered to actually contribute to said judging. Being that the judging is one of the main things that makes the Pro contest unique, I think participation in the judging should be a requirement. Sure, people can always go through the motions and then just ignore the voting at the end, but if they can't even put through that amount of effort, their entry should be shuffled to Expo.

AquaSky · Post by **AquaSky** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:35 pm

Yeah, I've got to agree with Hsien on this one, it isn't exactly fair to those of us who do invest our time and cash in it.

Jnzk · Post by **Jnzk** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:36 pm

I agree with the previous posters, nothing to add really.

madmallard · Post by **madmallard** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:19 pm

not only that, im confused what benefit he sees?

because you're basically indirectly stating that other videos in the contest are not worth your consideration, but YOURS is.

that kind of smacks as not in the spirit of 'peer judging' to me as well, therefore not professional.

Taken from our rules

Much like the Academy Awards, this contest represents the opinion of your peers, and hence would represent a higher standard for those who wished to participate...
...By calling yourself a professional and entering in this contest, we hold you to a higher standard than Music Video Exposition participants...

You are a "professional" if you say you are, you submit to this contest, you send in the appropriate signed form, and you follow the rules. There are no other criteria in deciding who may participate in this contest. By accepting, understand that you will be asked to watch and judge as much as six hours worth of video entries.

aoi_neko · Post by **aoi_neko** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:43 pm

If this is purely a case of "we're supposed to take the trouble to judge him, but he can't be bothered to return the favor" I'd add my small voice to the growing consensus that it's a bad idea. But I'd suggest that you PM him and see if there's some some sort of extenuation that justifies bending the rules that he might not want to go into publicly.

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:43 pm

sixstop wrote:not only that, im confused what benefit he sees?

because you're basically indirectly stating that other videos in the contest are not worth your consideration, but YOURS is.

that kind of smacks as not in the spirit of 'peer judging' to me as well, therefore not professional.

Taken from our rules
Much like the Academy Awards, this contest represents the opinion of your peers, and hence would represent a higher standard for those who wished to participate...
...By calling yourself a professional and entering in this contest, we hold you to a higher standard than Music Video Exposition participants...

You are a "professional" if you say you are, you submit to this contest, you send in the appropriate signed form, and you follow the rules. There are no other criteria in deciding who may participate in this contest. By accepting, understand that you will be asked to watch and judge as much as six hours worth of video entries.

to defend myself, the time thing was just an example, it wasn't my reason ;p (it was just what I put there cuz I thought it would defend my sanity a little better lol) I wouldn't mind that if it was all put on ftp, I had reviewed 400+ videos plus not stopping there. But I'm just a lazy bastard! Understand that if you want to deny it and ship it off to expo that's fine, but it's nothing like that! Again, it's nothing about 'worth' I just saw what MC said and I asked about it, don't mean for other creators to feel that way about me, really!! Personal Favors???

Bakadeshi · Post by **Bakadeshi** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:18 pm

I think the real problem would be if it was allowed, more people might jump on the wagon, thus diminishing the number of voters that actually make the contest, then it wouldn't realy be a contest anymore now would it. So in this case I don;t think any "exceptions" should be allowed, thus making a case for others to say "well you allowed so and so to do it...."

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:13 pm

Judging with friends, alcohol/soda, cheez-its = worth it

Kusoyaro · Post by **Kusoyaro** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:22 pm

I would just like to add...

Entering the AWA Pro contest has always been much more of a hassle than the typical contest. It requires the editor to go the extra mile to do his part to contribute to the contest. We all have to go out of our way to send the blank discs/tapes and set up the SASE envelope. We have to spend the extra hours judging. And if I'm not mistaken, during the AWA awards ceremony, Matt (MCWagner) goes into explicit detail as to exactly what participation in the Pro contest entails, and what every editor has had to do just to reach that point. And the audience appreciates and lauds it. Throughout the years, the editors and coordinators have all gone through great lengths to maintain the spiriit of this contest...for someone to say "can i just treat this as a regular contest? i don't care about judging" is, quite frankly, insulting.

Bakadeshi · Post by **Bakadeshi** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:27 pm

Castor Troy wrote:Judging with friends, alcohol/soda, cheez-its = worth it

That explains some of the finalists last year.....