God

[Arigatomina]

Assuming he was a actual person, that is.

Myth or factual story, the persona was based on a real person who did live a real human life, complete with siblings and offspring and an untimely death. There's been speculation of his ancestors living in Japan according to FATE magazine. Seems he really got around during those "missing years".

But it depends on the religion. Some like to look at the historical person as proof that he existed, so they accept that he lived a human life (meaning children and parents who had sex with each other).

Other christian religions, like the Jehova's Witnesses, believe Jesus was an archangel just pretending to be human, in which case he never had sex. I think he was Michael according to them, just with a temporary human body so he could live as a man and make the sacrifice before going back to heaven.

[Otohiko]

Yea, I'm personally pretty much convinced that there was a historical Jesus, and I think it's a shame we know relatively little of the historical Jesus in his own words. There are places in the New Testament where a uniquely 'his' philosophy sort of shines through, mixed with a good dose of classical Greek philosophy (no doubt because of the education of those who wrote the gospels); that part struck me as pretty incompatible with the otherwise Hebrew-oriented nature of the Bible.

Personally I would have a far different attitude towards [religious] Christianity if it was separated from its Hebrew roots. The vast majority of contradictions and problems with Christianity stem from the fact that its original writers wanted to convert Jews to it; as a result, it became a mix of two totally incompatible components (a Greek-influenced original Christian philosophy, and ancient Hebrew scripture). As I said before, I pretty much consider myself a 'Christian' in spirit - but only on my own perception of 'Christian philosophy' and the rejection of 90-something% of biblical scripture as having any value.

[guy07]

There's been speculation of his ancestors living in Japan according to FATE magazine. Seems he really got around during those "missing years".

Hm ...if he did visit Asia, they had really good healing techniques back then, that could explain some of his 'miracles'

meaning children and parents who had sex with each other

... the children had sex with the parents? lol
But it's near impossible to get pregnant without having sex, and it would be even harder to give BIRTH a virgin. So i'm pretty sure that rules out that theory. Though the fact jesus DOES appear in various official documents back then does seem to mean he was alive and real. Maybe he was even convinced that he WAS the son of god. But as far as i'm concerned, he was just a normal person with some good skillz.

Has anyone herd about the argument that St. John the Baptist was the real messiah? I heard some stuff on that and it turns out he even had his own church, before the Christians killed everybody in it : /

[wurpess]

But it's near impossible to get pregnant without having sex, and it would be even harder to give BIRTH a virgin. So i'm pretty sure that rules out that theory.

I had once heard the theory that Mary was impregnated by a drunken Roman soldier who told her he was an angel and that God said that she would bear his child. Of course then again, back then, sex before marriage was a huge no-no. So even without the Roman soldier theory, do you really think she would go around telling people that her and Joseph got down before marriage, or would she try and find some way to deny it? "Oh no. Of course I didn't have sex with him before we were married. I really have no clue how I ended up pregnant. Must be a miracle from God!"

And the Asia thing really does make a lot of sense.

[guy07]

zomg, we're unraveling the mysteries of religion in a org thread :O

But if you want some interesting bedtime reading, check this: http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/religion ... tory.shtml

[godix]

Myth or factual story, the persona was based on a real person who did live a real human life, complete with siblings and offspring and an untimely death.

The proof isn't that detailed or that conclusive. The basic argument for the jesus was a real man idea is that wittings of early church founders (including the four jesus stories in the bible) were all written within a few decades of his death by people who, if he existed, would have had first or secondhand knowledge of it. Not exactly a rock solid bed of fact there but historically speaking it is actually better proof that Jesus existed than we have other historical figures, Alexander the Great for example has less direct proof of having existed than that. However keep in mind that all early writings were by followers who have a clear bias in the issue. There is no archaeological evidence Jesus existed. There are no records of it from non-christian authors. As such his existence is somewhat questionable. Personally I have no doubt there really was a man who preached against the jewish church, was so unpopular that only a dozen guys believed his shit, and ended up killed for being a prick. Is the bible the absolutely accurate story of his life? Considering you have a multiple choice on something as basic as what jesus last words were then no, it probably isn't all that accurate.

[guy07]

Ah, but it WASN'T the jews that had him killed, that's impossible, if you read the link i provided, people who are crucified had to of committed a crime against ROME, preaching against jews would of been almost welcome by the romans as they were actually rather aggressive in their activism for their relegion. So assuming he was crucified, the jews had nothing to do with it.
Once again, please read the link provided above before continuing.

[SilversLightning]

Jesus was framed

[godix]

Jesus was framed

You mean Jesus didn't touch my junk liberally? Well fuck, I wonder who that was?

[Kitsuner]

Jesus was framed

Hahaha, "framed", "cross"...

Well played, Yeiweh.