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Post by UncleMilo » Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:48 pm

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I really hope that Bush keeps true to his word about leaving the government in Iraqi hands. I whole heartily believe that if we try to control the government there that there will be a huge revolt against Americans in Iraq.
I know I'm coming into this topic late... but...

Many of the comments I read don't seem to take into account that we put Saddam into power in the first place and funded him and equipped him... he was one of our many "friendly dictators".

America helped fund the Iraqis fight the Iranians, but apparently, we were also supplying Iranians weapons to fight the Iraqis.

I guess since that was back in the early 80's then it's not important to think about... it being so long ago... *cough* *cough*

I think a lot of Iraqis aren't jumping for joy because we helped make their lives miserable for our own goals by supporting this murderer and his regime when it suited our needs.

Then... during the Gulf War of former President Bush... Bush had urged the Iraqi people to rise up against Saddam... but then offered no support for them... so those who actually did so were gunned down by Saddam and his weapons bought with American money.

Now we're back... "liberating" Iraqis...

buyt the war was supposed to be about Saddam refusing to turn over his chemical weapons and weapons of mass distruction...

but to make the war more pleasing to the public eye... it is now suddenly about liberating the Iraqis... a group of people we sure didn't care about before...

but hey... Gov. Bush (the presidential pretender) hasn't even met any of the promises he made about helping restore Afghanistan (remember them?) and has not provided the funding he said he would to help those people.

Clearly the War on Iraq is about 2 things.

Money and Oil.

The Vice President's former company is taking on the job of the restoration of Iraq...

The Oil for Food program is rather disturbing to hear about as well.

I don't know if anyone else is that bothered by our American troops losing their lives for the main purpose of lining the pockets of wealthy businessmen...

but anyone who tells me that the Bush regime honestly cares about liberating the Iraqi people can save themselves the effort. It's fairly clear what Bush and his backers are truly in support of.


While I'm glad that the Iraqis are free of Saddam, they now have a whole new bundle of problems... some in the form of American interests.

America is suffering at home as well... Especially when student protestors are shot at, Freedoms stymied, and unemployment skyrocketing. On 9/11 we had support from all the nations of the world... and now most of those nations are very angry at us (and have every right to be)

Since the Democrats have become mostly worthless during the time that Gov. Bush has assumed his undeserved office and reigned with incompitence, I'm really rather depressed about the path we're currently on.

I am ashamed of my own nation right now and can only hope that better news will come my way...

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Post by the Black Monarch » Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:51 pm

In case you didn't notice, we helped set up a democratic government in Afghanistan. We're going to do the same in Iraq. Right now, Bush Jr. is cleaning up the mistakes of the past 3 presidents, which I think demonstrates that he is very competent (unlike Reagan, who had Alzheimer's and didn't know what the hell he was doing)

Oh yeah, we're also finding chemical weapons and related paraphernalia in Iraq. Had we not found them in Iraq, we would have found them in our own cities, killing lots of people.

I don't give a rat's ass about the oil. The oil money wasn't going to the Iraqi people under Saddam's regime, so It's not like we're making things worse.
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Post by kilik^ » Thu Apr 10, 2003 4:26 pm

I totally agree with Unclemilo, i think it is very stupid for people, to believe that The US goverment will go to iraq just to save the "poor iraqis" from the DEVIL of saddam. Do u really think that a nation will go to war, and spend millions of millions of dollars and day a risk thousands of soldiers, just for Humanitary porpuses? I dont think so.

The whole point of the US going to war is to find way to take control of the oil. They want to take saddam out to put a goverment that they can easy manipulate according to thier needs.

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Post by jonmartensen » Thu Apr 10, 2003 4:29 pm

I agree, it is very ignorant of people to attribute only one factor to the reason for a forcefull removal of Saddam by the current administration. :?
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Post by Mroni » Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:55 pm

Uncle milo no baka . This war has never been about Oil. And if we had to play one evil against the other and remove that evil who gives a fuck! That's not us being evil that's us babysitting a bunch of religous fanatics and trying to beat the idea of democracy into thier thick skulls. Look the Shah of Iran was no great man but he was far better than what the morons put in power after him. I hate to say it but I think if we want true peace in the middle east we will have to take it all except for isreal and force democracy down the tards throats. As the happy Iraquis the other day showed they are ready for change. Change dosent mean letting them put another dictator on the throne. Remember all the other arab goverments are dictatorships regardless of the names they give themselves. I love my country. Most of the retards in the Un complaining about us or getting money from us in one way or the other. We babysit the whole freakin world and we get no respect. Take serbia for example. If you look at a map serbia is right next to freakin Germany. But all that job was done by americans. They don't have large militarys because we have protected them all these years. We stood up against the evil soviet empire and we forced it to back down and we drove it into the ground. If we had to use scum to do this with sometimes big fucking whoop. We did it the ends we used always justified the means. Do you know that the freakin arab ambassador guy was on the Bbc and when they were asking him about the pictures of the happy iraquis he was ignoring them and trying to talk about isreal!!! That's all that concerns those morons the destruction of a democracy that continously kicks their ass economically and takes them down in war. You saw what happened to the one man Sadat who said ok instead of fighting them lets be freinds with them. Bang dead by a muslim nut. This makes me so mad. Today we are doing the right thing. Why can't Milo be happy for that. It was freaking right in front of his eyes on tv. 10 years ago we fucked up not now this is right. This is good celebrate with us.


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Post by MAS PRODUCTIONS » Thu Apr 10, 2003 7:18 pm

UncleMilo wrote:
MAS PRODUCTIONS wrote:
I really hope that Bush keeps true to his word about leaving the government in Iraqi hands. I whole heartily believe that if we try to control the government there that there will be a huge revolt against Americans in Iraq.
I know I'm coming into this topic late... but...

Many of the comments I read don't seem to take into account that we put Saddam into power in the first place and funded him and equipped him... he was one of our many "friendly dictators".

America helped fund the Iraqis fight the Iranians, but apparently, we were also supplying Iranians weapons to fight the Iraqis.

I guess since that was back in the early 80's then it's not important to think about... it being so long ago... *cough* *cough*

I think a lot of Iraqis aren't jumping for joy because we helped make their lives miserable for our own goals by supporting this murderer and his regime when it suited our needs.

Then... during the Gulf War of former President Bush... Bush had urged the Iraqi people to rise up against Saddam... but then offered no support for them... so those who actually did so were gunned down by Saddam and his weapons bought with American money.

Now we're back... "liberating" Iraqis...

buyt the war was supposed to be about Saddam refusing to turn over his chemical weapons and weapons of mass distruction...

but to make the war more pleasing to the public eye... it is now suddenly about liberating the Iraqis... a group of people we sure didn't care about before...

but hey... Gov. Bush (the presidential pretender) hasn't even met any of the promises he made about helping restore Afghanistan (remember them?) and has not provided the funding he said he would to help those people.

Clearly the War on Iraq is about 2 things.

Money and Oil.

The Vice President's former company is taking on the job of the restoration of Iraq...

The Oil for Food program is rather disturbing to hear about as well.

I don't know if anyone else is that bothered by our American troops losing their lives for the main purpose of lining the pockets of wealthy businessmen...

but anyone who tells me that the Bush regime honestly cares about liberating the Iraqi people can save themselves the effort. It's fairly clear what Bush and his backers are truly in support of.


While I'm glad that the Iraqis are free of Saddam, they now have a whole new bundle of problems... some in the form of American interests.

America is suffering at home as well... Especially when student protestors are shot at, Freedoms stymied, and unemployment skyrocketing. On 9/11 we had support from all the nations of the world... and now most of those nations are very angry at us (and have every right to be)

Since the Democrats have become mostly worthless during the time that Gov. Bush has assumed his undeserved office and reigned with incompitence, I'm really rather depressed about the path we're currently on.

I am ashamed of my own nation right now and can only hope that better news will come my way...

-Uncle Milo
Its funny but before I read your post I had talked to a friend about the very same issues. I was gonna post a topic about my conversation but Im sure that many of the people here wouldn't have understood and made wrong judgements due to that. Anyways back on topic - I find it really funny that the past two wars we have been in were against countries that we ourselves trained or supported. We actaully trained Bin Ladin's group on how to fight and supplied weapons if Im not mistakin. My friend summed it up best- we choose the cheapest solution and when it comes back to bite us on the ass we never see it coming. As far as the current administration, I never liked Bush, not that I liked Gore but atleast with Gore or atleast a democrate I had atleast a good viewpoint of where they stood on issues. I really hope that Bush isn't re-elected, I will not be voting for him and I hope that others dont either. My main reason for this is because the current administration has already made several claims of wanting to continue this "war on terrorism" which means attacking countries who harbor terrorists. Eventually other countries will start fearing being attacked and will team up on the US and will attack. Now on to this comment:
Oh yeah, we're also finding chemical weapons and related paraphernalia in Iraq. Had we not found them in Iraq, we would have found them in our own cities, killing lots of people.
Well we're not finding chemical weapons yet . . . . they found barrel's but they have no clue what it is yet or atleast haven't revealed it. The fact that news even got out was due to reporters on the scene trying to get the story first. This has happened before, on 9/11 I was watching CNN, as the second tower was hit and "reports" were coming in that several other targets were being "hit". The channel was in such a hurry to get the coverage that they didn't even bother to verify if they were true or not. I believe that they claimed that the Mall of america was hit as well as a courthouse in DC. The same goes for this case, they aren't chemicaL weapons until they are verified by the governement. The administration is being very carefull with this info because if they are wrong then it will backlash in their faces.

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Post by Lyrs » Thu Apr 10, 2003 7:21 pm

lets hope saddam doesn't disappear like osama.

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Post by Wykith » Fri Apr 11, 2003 9:20 am

Lyrs wrote:lets hope saddam doesn't disappear like osama.

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He already has.

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Post by fyrtenheimer » Fri Apr 11, 2003 9:56 am

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Post by Castor Troy » Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:51 am

CaTaClYsM wrote:
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Wykith wrote:
Professional 666 wrote:Why weren't there more people celebrating? Cuz there's &$%%&X# combat still going on.
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