Same Scene twice Any Good?

[Otohiko]

If you use the same scene 2x for a different sound effect / part of song, it is very obvious.

Also, repeating clips are very conspicuous if you only use them 2x. If you're going to repeat, you must use it VERY OFTEN or it fails.

That's assuming you're using conventionally-structured music with conventionally-structured video.

I think videos are a lot more complex than that, but if you want to be on the safe side, then okay, those rules will work.

The best thing to do is, well, just try it in a video and see what it looks like. If you can't tell if it's good, show it to someone else (aka. beta) and see what they say.

[godix]

That's assuming you're using conventionally-structured music with conventionally-structured video.

I think videos are a lot more complex than that, but if you want to be on the safe side, then okay, those rules will work.

The best thing to do is, well, just try it in a video and see what it looks like. If you can't tell if it's good, show it to someone else (aka. beta) and see what they say.

He has a point. I've seen several good uses of scene reuse that weren't comedies but it is rare and unusually has strange audio.

As a general rule, if you WANT the audience to go 'hey that's the same scene' for whatever reason then fine. If you don't intend to provoke that reaction in the audience then don't reuse the scene.

[JazzyDJ]

I was wondering about this very same topic.

I'm a person with roots in music theory and a musical backround. That is what brought me with an interest in making AMVs. I'm first and foremost a song writer, so I have in ingrained in me to repeat certain melodic structures like a chorus for example.

I think this is spilling over into my video I'm making now as I am being tempted to re-use a certain scene during the choruse to colaborate with the beat and the guitar rythem. If I were to do this for the chorus of "Break Stuff" by Limp Bizkit, do you think it could work and not ruin the video? I'd be matching it up to the "Duh, duhun... Duh, duhn" guitar part that plays during the "he said she said" portion of the chorus. Stomping was one of the ideas for the repeated scene.

What do you think?

[Otohiko]

I was wondering about this very same topic.

I'm a person with roots in music theory and a musical backround. That is what brought me with an interest in making AMVs. I'm first and foremost a song writer, so I have in ingrained in me to repeat certain melodic structures like a chorus for example.

I think this is spilling over into my video I'm making now as I am being tempted to re-use a certain scene during the choruse to colaborate with the beat and the guitar rythem. If I were to do this for the chorus of "Break Stuff" by Limp Bizkit, do you think it could work and not ruin the video? I'd be matching it up to the "Duh, duhun... Duh, duhn" guitar part that plays during the "he said she said" portion of the chorus. Stomping was one of the ideas for the repeated scene.

What do you think?

I think it could, it largely depends on the specific footage you're using. It has to be something that's either sufficiently striking visually, or really symbolic, I think. With things like chorus repetition - I would say variations on visual themes rather than straight repetition generally works better. If you're using, say, a clip of stomping - well, use different clips of stomping for each time. Closely related, but not the same.

Good to see people getting into AMVs via music (I've got no background in music theory at all, but I'm still one of those who are more on the music side of things).

[JazzyDJ]

Thanks! I'll take that advice.

The other idea for repetition I had was (using your advice with the slight varation; using a similar scene from a different episode) having the main 2 characters go with the "he said she said" part and have it look somewhat like they were arguing.

I was thinking the stomping would got better with the music but that the characters would go better with the lyrics.

How do you decide which is the way to go? I thought about using both, but I'm afraid it might intererupt the flow of the video. What should I be looking for?

[Bakadeshi]

its one thing if your using a side character and dont have any more scenes to use, such as me in my "shattered dreams", and "accidental love story" videos, but even then, I ususally try to alter the scene in some way to make it less visible, or make it something like a flash back, or repeat to drive the point home sorta thing. If you just randomly repeat scenes without any logic behind it is when it looks bad.

Also, if there is plenty of footage available and your just attached to this particular scene and want to use it in 2 different places, unless its for the purpose of driving the point home or to make the user think more about that scene, id suggest just using it wherever you decide fits better and come up with something else for the other part of the song.

[Keeper of Hellfire]

don't repeat scenes unless it's a comedy.

That's very stupid. But it seems a common answer to advanced techniques of AMV making amongst some people at the org. I will reuse 1..3 scenes (not decided yet) in one of my next projects to tie two story arcs together. And that's for sure no comedy AMV. Another justified reason to reuse scenes is if you tell alternative versions of the same story. Or if you continue with the same scene after a temporal break. Or.... You see, nothing of that is tied to comedy only.

...stuff...
Anyone have a problem with these rules?

I have a problem with any rules on artistic freedom. You can try to setup some guidelines, but there will always be examples of good AMV witch defy your guidelines.

[Topstar_Productions]

Actually I'm really curious about this... for my Sakura Taisen/Samurai Pizza Cats Parody I had one scene repeated several times. It was a custom created title screen. For those who've seen SPC... when they sing "sa mu rai pizza cats" in the song the different parts of the logo appear. I tried to do a similar effect using the sakura taisen logo. Matching サ with "Sa"　ク with "mu"　ラ with "rai" and　大戦 with "pizza cats". But I reused the same logo shot on each instance. I've had one person complain about it so far... but I want to know what you guys think?

I also forgot that in the original SPC intro they do not do this on the final instance, where they just show Speedy and co on a bridge. But by the time I realized that, I had already saved the file and deleted the source for the vid.

Anyway the video is here http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=143423